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You've removed the "pna-cite" notice from Tomin -- yet nobody has added a citation to the episode..
Do you understand that I put it there because I wanted someone to cite it? please don't remove a message like that again unless you actually read it and do what it says. -- Captain Mike K. Barteltalk 13:57, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Sorry, I was working on the article and got distracted part way through. Jaz 16:22, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
It is much appreciated your attentiveness to such articles as Dwellers in the Crucible, Bloodthirst and Death Count, but I posted the topic on Ten Forward about Mis-use of PNA's the other day with hopes that they would be used properly in the future. Please read that post and all associated links so that we know how to use PNA's (and other boilerplates), other than just randomly throwing them on pages. Thanks. --Gvsualan 21:46, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I usually do place a message without, however, those I felt that those ones were self explanatory since the pages were very incomplete. I'll try to leave more comments though. Jaz 22:06, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Just wanted to reiterate my above comment. When adding a 'pna-incomplete' to a page, please write up a brief explaination on what you feel it needs in the talk page (as the template clearly states). --Alan del Beccio 03:54, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
On Talk:Arne Darvin, you said that we've seen Vulcans, Bajorans, Trill, and Klingons, over 200 years. Okay, Vulcans have been over 200 yrs old, and Klingons at least 140 or so. When have we seen such elderly Bajorans and Trill. Do you mean Trill symbionts, which live over 360 years? I can't think of a Bajoran being over than maybe 100.--Tim Thomason 04:56, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks. I just he's blocked now. Jaz 19:17, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
Regarding James Doohan's reasons for not taking part in the Futurama parody of Star Trek, if you do some research (in the proper areas, of course - i.e., DVD commentary) you will find that Doohan refused to be a part of the parody because he took his acting -- and his role as Scotty -- seriously. --From Andoria with Love 06:31, 12 Jan 2006 (UTC)
- My source was credible, it was from a news article a few years back, I think from Reuters or the AP, but if its on the DVD, I guess that trumps me. Jaz 04:38, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
- I'll do what I can, could take a while though. Jaz 23:40, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)
- Sure, thanks for telling me. Jaz 01:01, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
- Just curious, but where are ou getting your cover images from? You seem to upload them awfully fast... --Starchild 03:05, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
That actually wasn't a test -- or vandalism. Wages of Fear was the film they were watching in the episode "Vox Sola". Travis tells Malcolm the name of the movie in the mess hall. I've created a page for it, linked from the reference that I added.
Khankyle 04:14, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
- And Jaz, the next time something is added to an article and you suspect it to be incorrect, please do a quick search of the added material (here and at other areas such as Google) before reverting it and proclaiming it to be vandalism or a test. If you cannot find a source for the added material, but it is not clear-cut vandalism, then you should start a discussion for it in the talk page. Please remember this in the future. Thanks. :) --From Andoria with Love 05:34, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
For the record Edit
This is coming a bit late, but I wanted to say thanks for the support vote on my adminship re-nomination. I meant it when I said my opposition to yours was nothing personal so it was nice to see you understood - though I guess you could have just done that because it would look bad to have us both opposing each other on the same page... :P But seriously, I do view adminship as a chore (hence claiming I have no desire for it), and I think you'll do a fine job once you show us you're not going anywhere. :) --Vedek Dukat Talk | Duty Roster 06:47, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
For someone who wants to be an admin, you sure were rude to Q. By the way, slander is spoken, print is libel. :P Next time you're in a bad mood, don't take it out on MA. Thanks. --Vedek Dukat Talk | Duty Roster 00:43, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Your presence is requested Edit
We're having an important meeting
on policy to conduct an experiment right now. Please get on IRC (the "Chat" link in the navigation bar) as soon as you get a chance. Thanks! --Vedek Dukat Talk | Duty Roster 01:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Hey, Jaz. In regards to the comment you left at Talk:Mister, it would be appreciated if you could show a little more diplomacy when commenting on talk pages. I understand the creation of and changes in some articles may seem a bit ridiculous, but that's no reason to thrash the article's contributor publicly. I also see this is not the first time your attitude/manners on MA has come under discussion. It is asked that you please show a little more restraint in the future. Thank you. :) --From Andoria with Love 05:43, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry, I'm a bit blunt by nature (a lot like your namesake). I'll try to tone it down though. Jaz 05:44, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
- "Vandalism will not be tolerated, and we can revert a hell of a lot faster than you can edit. Go away and never come back! Jaz talk | novels 00:00, 17 February 2006 (UTC)"
- Please exercise some tact in diplomacy when confronting vandals. This is not an appropriate way to handle such a situation. --Alan del Beccio 06:53, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
categorizing novel pics Edit
Cid and I have bots we are using (or going to use) to categorize the image files (click "show bots" on the "recent changes" page to 'decloak' our bots) so you don't really have to categorize them because we can do it automatically without it showing up on the recent changes page. If however you with to continue, its your time...-Alan del Beccio 02:20, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
- haha, ok, didn't realize. I actually just finished Pocket DS9, if that helps. Jaz *** 02:22, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
IP votes Edit
So, just to clarify something with myself, are you not allowed to participate in formal disscussions if you are not a user (just an annonymous IP address)? If so, is an IP's vote disregarded? Just wondering.... Thanks! --Galaxy001 22:48, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not a hundred percent sure, but I think you need to be registered for a week to vote in VfD or Nom. for Admin. I'm not sure about the rest. Jaz talk | novels 00:33, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps this is a stupid question, but when you upload images, do you put the "uploaded (name of image)" in the edit summary or is that automatically generated? I just want to make sure. Thanks in advance! ~Starchild |<Talk> 03:21, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- Summary is whatever you type in the image description (unwikid). Jaz talk | novels 05:03, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Nice job! Edit
Hey, nice job on the novel roster so far! The novels are definately MA's weak spot; hopefully one of these could become a featured article sometime! Courtesy Jaz. ;) --Galaxy001 06:58, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks Galaxy. If you want to check out one that I hope will some day be a featured article. take a look at Power Hungry. I'm doing a chapter by chapter summary, and adding in every reference and character I come across. Jaz talk | novels 17:05, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
talk page overkill Edit
It really wasn't necessary to start a talk page for each day of the week just to note an oversight. You made the corrections to the page, that is all that was really needed. --Alan del Beccio 06:17, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- I was just being thoruogh to avoid confusion. I also strongly question your decision to immidiatly delete pages that were meant to avoid confusion - especially the Sunday one which explains the entire situation. This seems like a major abuse of your admin powers. Jaz talk | novels 18:09, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
What you said in the Sunday talk page could have very simply been placed in the background details of the Sunday page. It would have saved you the confusion of why it was listed as the 7th day, save me the confusion of why you felt it necessary to overkill the talk pages and then everyone would have been happy. --Alan del Beccio 18:31, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- I fail to see how a one sentace explanation on a talk page is overkill - especially when it is explaining the reasoning behind a change I have made to the article. Jaz talk | novels 18:34, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Not trying to step on anyone's toes (although that apparently can't be avoided, sometimes), but I think Jaz is right in this case. It probably was unnecessary to add that comment to all seven pages, but if someone creates an article stating that "sunday=day 7" and someone else believes that "sunday=day 1" and changes the article accordingly, a comment on the appropriate talk page might avoid a edit war and/or lead to a discussion about what we actually want to state (perhaps we don't care about the hebrew origin, but only about everyday use today?). It is not something that should necessarily be added as a background comment - because it isn't "Trek background". I also don't think it qualified as an immediate delete ("archive, don't delete", and all that...), so I'm undeleting Talk:Sunday and hope that the discussion can be held on just that page... -- Cid Highwind 19:40, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
OK, so that last part had already been done by Alan... :) -- Cid Highwind 19:41, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
--KetracelWhiteJunkie 10:01, 20 February 2006 (UTC) Edit
what i had posted on the kira page was ment to be funny, but it was not ment to be anything of the sort as vandalism, i just got the distintc impression that the mirror kira wanted a lover type relation ship with the prime kira. just cause its funney doesnt mean that its spiteful.
- We are not a joke book. Try uncyclopdia - they would welcome that sort of edit, but on MA it is vandalism. Jaz talk | novels 03:40, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Garak Post War Edit
I responded at the article and I would like to point out that simply linking to the canon policy does not clarify your argument at all. I can find that information myself. As it stands, the info you removed WAS from the book (not fan fiction.) As I said on the Garak talk page: please don't remove something you aren't sure about. It is better to ask first and get other user's opinions. It saves arguments and re-edits. Thanks.--DannyBoy7783 06:49, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Removing something once is not a post war, and if you take a look at your talk page you will notice that admin agreed with my decision. We have to maintain encylopedia quality, and having uncited, non-canon information detracts from that. As I said before, if you can cite where the information came from, feel free to place it in the apocypha section, if not, it must stay out. I realize you are new here, but this is just how it works at MA. Jaz talk | novels 19:24, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Eco-terrorism article Edit
I'm basing this article off of information that was given in the historical database in the Enterprise episode In a Mirror Darkly, Part 2. It identified Col. Philip Green as an eco-terrorist, and stated that he began his activities in the year 2026. This information has been used in other articles dealing with Col.Green and World War 3. As far as my definition of eco-terriorism, that is based on contemporary accounts. I'll try to find the source I used and identify it on the page.
- Thank you for your work on MA. Please note that all material in the article needs to be from Star Trek. If you want to add a real-life description, it should either be a one-sentance opener, or in the background information sections. Also, please sign remarks with four ~ symbols. Jaz talk | novels 06:27, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Novels duty roster Edit
- Nice site. Different from us, we are looking for encylopedia articles, where that one offers more of a review, but information could come in handy. Thanks a lot. Also, please sign you name by leaving four ~ symbols, and join MA if you haven't done so already. Jaz talk | novels 06:29, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
I reverted and blocked this user, and protected the two pages that have been targeted all day a couple minutes before you left your request on his talk page. You can only block someone indefinately once. Is there something I'm overlooking? --Alan del Beccio 01:11, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry, didn't realize it was already done. Thank you for blocking him. Jaz talk | novels 01:20, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
- np. This has been going on for quite a bit the last two days. By my count, 18 user accounts have been indefinitely blocked in the past 36 hours for this sort of vandalism. Most all has been on the same 5 or 6 pages. Some vandals pose as "vandal reverters", too, and say they are reverting the previous vandal, but only add to it or alter the spam slightly. --Alan del Beccio
- Did you mean to have your archive placed at User talk:Jaz/Archive? --Alan del Beccio 15:51, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
String Theory 3Edit
I made the change on the page for String Theory book 3. I actually do have an account, I just forgot to sign in.
Picture in signatureEdit
I first saw this on User:Captainmike's signature. All he did was edit his signature to include a tiny picture of one of the rank .png images. I did the same.
All I did was:
You should be able to see what I did, when I sign my signature here: Zsingaya 10:23, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
- No probs. However, can you see how it stretches out your signature? It would be better to have a maximum of two tags on the end of your sig, eg: the talk link and the picture, or the novel link and the picture. Otherwise, we'll end up with people having sigs longer than what they wrote. I'm sure this feature will become a topic of conversation pretty soon. Zsingaya 10:18, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
- The novel duty roster is almost finnished, so I'll be removing that link pretty soon. Jaz talk | novels 17:38, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
RE:Waking Moments Edit
RE:IRC Comments Edit
Hey, Josh. Sorry about not replying in IRC, we were a bit tied up. To answer your question, the site is currently having some layout issues which is affecting everyone. For some reason, the layout format isn't loading properly. Hope, the problem will be resolved soon; we have already informed Angela and the folks at Wikia and they'll get on it as soon as possible. --From Andoria with Love
A couple of things... Edit
Hey, Jaz, I was wondering...
Have you finished writing the summary for Power Hungry? Just curious; that definately might be able to be featured. Also, since your last nomination, have you thought about regoing for administership? You may get it this time, I don't know... :) Galaxy001talk 05:13, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot Galaxy. Power Hungry will get finnished when I finnish the book. Usually I'm a pretty speedy reader, but this happens to be an exceptionally bad book :) As for administratorship, I don't think I'll re-apply for a while, probably just stick it out and keep contributing until the community deems it prudent to promote me. Jaz talk | novels 06:40, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Efros' Number Edit
Where on earth did you get his number? It was clearly his home, and his wife - or at least I assume it was his wife - answered the phone. He really was very kind to take the call and I think it put to rest the discussion of Efrosian. I hope! Aholland 02:29, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Scroll box Edit
I noticed you removed the scroll box of Andorian appearences. How do you pick which species get scroll boxes? (unsinged, Special:Contributions/126.96.36.199)
I felt it made browsing easier, the page was too long and the background section was hidden below the appearences list. Perhaps MA should have guidelines? (unsinged, Special:Contributions/188.8.131.52)
Daniel Keys Moran Edit
- A list of books cannot be copyrighted. So this information cannot violate copyright.
- Even if it could be copyrighted, I wrote the longer version at Wikipedia. Why can’t I write a shorter (and reorganized version) here? (which is what I did)
- I only put it back so quickly, because I thought you had agreed with me. —MJBurrage 05:42, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- You can certainly use information you fin on wikipedia, but what you had was copied and pasted from wikipedia. This is a copyvio because the lisenses are incompatable. In order to copy from wikipedia, MA would have to post the GFDL, which conflicts with much of our content, as it has no mention of fair use. Jaz talk 05:45, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- I did not FIND this on wikipedia. I WROTE it. Also a list of books is automatically public domain, because it CANNOT be copyrighted. —MJBurrage 05:52, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep in mind that you are not the sole editor of the wikipedia article - a wiki by definition is a collection of many archivists' writings (which I can see in the history of that wikipedia article). If you want to reuse the information that is okay but you cannot copy and paste which I can see you did, as the format and explanatory text is nearly identicle. As I have explained to you on three different pages now, the liscenses are incompatible. This is regerdless of who wrote it, who released it, anything like that. If we use Wikipedia stuff, we need to post the GFDL, which we cannot do. Jaz talk 05:57, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- If you want to try to re-organize the info in a way that isnt a copy you can do se here. When it is different enough from wikipedia, you can move it to the main site. Jaz talk 06:00, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- If public domain information is on Wikipedia, it does not become Wikipedia’s, it is still public domain. It is established copyright case law that, facts, lists of facts, etc. cannot be copyrighted. (The cases were based on lawsuits over Scrabble™ dictionaries, phone books, etc.) Since the information is public domain, and the organization of each line is basic standard bibliography format (Title, Publication, Date, ISBN), there is no license issue. —MJBurrage 06:17, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- I am sick of repeating myself over and over again. Please read Memory Alpha:Why Memory Alpha doesn't use the GFDL. This is the way things work here. I am sorry if you cannot accept that. Jaz talk 06:20, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Actually, Jaz, he's right about lists not being protected. I've not looked into the specific area in question, but it's just like the way people get filmographies off IMDb, specifications off Amazon, etc - copyrights are for the expression of the information, not the information itself. --Vedek Dukat Talk | Duty Roster 06:32, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, but what he has been posting is copied and pasted from wikipedia. He needs to re-organize because the same organization & layout combined with the same facts is a copyvio. Jaz talk 06:33, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- Well as he claims to have wrote the information, it could still br fair game if he can provide a link to the "diff" page where he himself added the info. This is why some Wikipedians have a message about "multi-licensing" their edits; they want to ensure that their work can be used in a variety of contexts. --Vedek Dukat Talk | Duty Roster 06:35, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- Do you really want us to become a dumping ground for recycled Wikipedia articles. Aside from the copyvio issues, which I still think I am correct about, this is a matter of principle. Memory Alpha has become and increasingly credible and well known source -- look at the credit we've been given in the past few days from G4 and the new ENT novel which thanks us. To maintain our credibility we need to remain a unique source -- and a source about star trek. And priniple aside, it is still a copyvio because it is came from wikipedia first, and therefor to reuse it we need to post a copy of the GFDL, which we can't do. Jaz talk 06:39, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- I understand that issue, and it would cover any article with editorial content. My issue here is that a list of factual information this basic (list of books in standard bibliography format) is not owned (or licensed) by anyone, it is completely free public domain information, and so there is no license issue in this case.
- If someone wrote a list of Star Trek episodes, with director names, and airdates, in order of production number, they could put that up anywhere, including Wikipedia and here, and they would not need to cite any license, since it is just a list of facts. You cannot copyright such a list, and you cannot control it with a license. My post falls under this area, and so even though the exact same facts were posted by me on Wikipedia in the past, that does not give Wikipedia any ownership OR CONTROL of those fact because you cannot own facts.
- And I do understand that a series of episode reviews is different, and would cause license issues.
- As for whether there can be a copyright on the sentences (there are only three)... Even if there could, I WROTE them and so the copyright would be mine and if I can release them to Wikipedia under GFDL, then I can also release them here under Creative Commons, and neither wiki needs to cite the other.
- —MJBurrage 06:43, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
As I've been saying you can use the information but you need to re-write it so it isn't the same format as wikipedia. The identicle format combined with identical info is a copyvio. If you want to re-write it, do so at Daniel Keys Moran/temp. When it is no longer the same, move it to the main article. Jaz talk 06:46, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Jaz, if Project A is GFDL and Project B is CC, Person C can contribute to both if their "license" is something in between (e.g. public domain). And if we were talking about plagiarism, simply reordering the info would still be plagiarizing. :P --Vedek Dukat Talk | Duty Roster 06:48, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- The format is not Wikipedia’s format it is bibliography format, how else should I format a bibliography —MJBurrage 06:51, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- See our manual of style. Also, you will have to continue this discussion with the Vedek, as I am going to bed. Jaz talk 06:52, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Vandal comments Edit
Hey, Jaz. While we all appreciate your enthusiasm in reverting vandalism, I think it would be best if you didn't make fun of the vandals or goad them to try harder. This tends to simply get vandals angry and causes them to return to do more damage. A warning would suffice, after which they should simply be ignored... aside from reverting and banning them, of course. ;) --From Andoria with Love 03:04, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Way to go Edit
Way to go! I started to read Memory Alpha not too long ok and enjoyed it until I came across you. You are a know it all who can't listen to another persons opinion and must always be correct. Way to go for ruining this site for other people. I will never return to this site because of you. Way to go jerk.
- Please sign your insults by leaving four ~ marks. And I'm not sure what you mean by return, as this is thusfar your only edit. -- Jaz talk 19:36, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Realworld template and performers Edit
You and I seem to be both adding realworld:templates to the performers pages. Actually, one wonders why they weren't there earlier, but that is neither here nor there. Here is my question. Is there a way we could set up a bot to do this? It would seem to me to be a simple edit, but over a lot of articles, perfect for a bot. --OuroborosCobra 00:00, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- I've asked Gvsualen if his bot could do it, but I haven't gotten a response. I'll ask Cid if his can. -- Jaz talk 00:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Ifd clean-up Edit
Hey, Jaz, is there a reason you removed many of the previous revisions for the Ifd from the database? You said you did it for maintenance purposes, however, I believe the past revisions should remain for future reference. --From Andoria with Love 02:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry about that, I thought it was our policy to empty the really big ones once and a while. Its been done a few times by other admins to VfD. -- Jaz talk 02:48, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- Discussions from the Vfd page are sent to the archives (if the page discussed is deleted) or to an article's talk page (if the page discussed is kept). The images page, however, does not utilize an archive, so it might be different there. Then again, you may be right on... remind me to ask Cid about this in the morning. :P --From Andoria with Love 06:47, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry about that, I thought it was our policy to empty the really big ones once and a while. Its been done a few times by other admins to VfD. -- Jaz talk 02:48, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm not a vandal. Edit
Could you please review Whopper's talk page history and my talk page ? I'm certainly not a vandal. You do not have all of the information and are reverting me on what you believe is vandalism, but is not. Whopper is a friend and I talk to him every day. Would it help if I got him to certify what I'm saying? This is completely ridiculous - can you please try asking me if you aren't sure an edit of mine is vandalism before you revert it? Thanks. — Nathan (talk · contribs · en.wiki) 21:04, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
There is a rule on Wikimedia against posting logs but if I have to do it:
[13:37:08] <@GeorgeMoney> why are you leaving like linux did? [13:37:13] <@Dure> oh [13:37:20] <@GeorgeMoney> don't leave and give no reason [13:37:24] <@Dure> well, for arguments, for not getting along [13:37:49] <@Dure> and for some policies i sorta frown apon [13:41:55] <@Dure> i have decided to stay
- To second that, it's ok with me if nathan edits my page, it was not vandalism. I was just going through some stuff and wanted to leave. If you want to discuss this on irc, im at #memory-alpha as Dure (as nathan said). thanks though for the reverts, i appreciate the concern! Whopper
Changes to Kira Nerys Edit
I mentioned this to AJ, but I think he went to sleep for the night, so here it is again:
- There has been a lot of activity on the Kira Nerys article today, mostly from one anon. He has been doing a lot of re-wording, and I am not sure that his re-words are better. He also has been removing whole paragraphs, such as on Kai Opaka. I think this may warrant an admin looking at, to see if it needs a revert. --OuroborosCobra 06:25, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. --OuroborosCobra 06:52, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
- OK, thanks again for taking a look :-) --OuroborosCobra 06:58, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Don't put stuff on their talk page. when you do so, it pops up onto their screen as someone contacting them. which means that they start doin' more crap. -- Sulfur 22:47, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
- Just following procedure, everyone deserves a warning (I believe the commie vandal is many people, most of which are copy-cats). Jaz talk 22:48, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
- potentially true. but it still does alert them (as i've noticed, unfortunately). silly twits. -- Sulfur 22:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
- Its a bit of a dilemna, but I think we should give them a warning. Also, thanks for helping me revert the damage he attempted to do. Resistance really is futile. Jaz talk 22:51, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
- yah, i think that i got all of the 'regular' pages that were hit (184.108.40.206), and i think that you got pretty much all of the user pages. *sigh* what a bother. more admins needed. ;) -- The Borg... er... Sulfur 22:54, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Apparently, I wasn't online when you contacted me. :) I might be available this evening, possibly at some point between 21:00 and 24:00 CEST. If it is about possible policy changes, though, it might be better to continue the conversation on the talk page instead. IRC chat discussions might be quicker, but the discussion that makes or changes policy should be the one here.
In any case, feel free to contact me if you are on the chat and I will join, but probably only for a short while - some things that "happened" on IRC in the past made me lose most of the interest in being there. -- Cid Highwind 07:43, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Name change Edit
Could you please let me know how you changed the name Odell --> O'Dell? Not in the article, but rather the name of the article itself. Thanks a lot.
KahlessTheUnforgettable 21:27, 10 May 2006 (UTC)KahlessTheUnforgettable
- No problem. If you look up at the tabs on the top of the page (ie article, discussion, ect) on of them should say move. Click on that, enter the new title and hit okay. There is also a window to provide a reason, which will appear on the recent changes page. Jaz talk 21:44, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
I appreciate it. I hope you don't mind if I ask another question? Is there a way I can avoid having to enter the "Kahless 03:25, 11 May 2006 (UTC)" every time for my signature?
Kahless 03:25, 11 May 2006 (UTC)KahlessTheUnforgettable
Hi. I just archived your admin nomination, making you "one of us". :) Sorry for the temporary hassle and delay, but I still believe that discussing the potential policy change first was the best option, instead of making someone an admin "against policy". Congratulations... and now get to work! ;) -- Cid Highwind 21:40, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the Login tip Edit
I hadn't realized how easy it was to create a login. Thanks for the info. One quick question: is there a way to get my previous contributions attributed to my new account? Trlkly 21:40, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Vandals, admin, and all that Jaz... :) Edit
Sorry, but I just had to laugh at your guide to vandalism. Its hilarious! I'd say the most convincing one for them may be the taking up more bandwidth step. I loved it. :) By the way, congrats on becomming an admin! I have not been doing stuff on here for a few weeks so I missed that whole thing, but nice job! :) --Galaxy001talk 04:35, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
re: UTS Edit
(Copied from User talk:Ensign q)
yeah, the UTS thing proved inaccurate. Sorry.
-Ensign q 18:13, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Does StarTrek.com count as a canon resource?
-Ensign q 18:19, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Banning vandals Edit
Hey, Jaz. I just wanted to say that unless an IP is a spammer or is frequently vandalizing, we don't generally ban it. I saw you banned the IP user who edited the Star Trek page for three days; but rather than immediately ban him, we generally give one or two warnings, depending on how frequently s/he vandalizes. If it's just a one-time thing, then just a warning should suffice. If they keep doing it, warn them again. If they continue, then ban them. Like I said, that's only if the IP isn't a spammer or isn't causing major damage. So... yeah. :) --From Andoria with Love 03:39, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Ahh, see, I was unaware of the IP's previous offenses. Um, there is no typical block time for recurring offenses. Generally, first offenses are between one to three days. Second offenses might be expanded to one or more weeks. If the vandalism continues after that, I think it's safe to say that the IP is tied to that one person and can be banned indefinitely. Again, that's not an official rule, and it's really up to the person doing the blocking. --From Andoria with Love 04:17, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
No problem. Remind me next time to check on a banned IP's past behavior. ;) --From Andoria with Love 04:32, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Jaz, take a look at the first episode where Zek appears. His aid appears to have his hands down Zek's pants does he not? I will have to review the episode, but I'm pretty sure its there because it stands out in my memory. 220.127.116.11 04:42, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Is there a MoS guideline for where to place such templates? You placed it above the "External Links" and "Backgound" section on several pages, but I wanted to check before I moved it down. Weyoun 00:05, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
IP talk pages Edit
Hey, Jaz. Just thought I'd let you know you're only supposed to delete talk pages for IP users after seven days in order to give those users time to come back and see the messages we left. After seven days, though, you can get rid of them. I would also like to thank you for reminding me about those talk pages; if you hadn't started deleting some a few days ago, I wouldn't have remembered them and they would be sitting there taking up space for Surak knows how long. I don't think Alan woulda been very pleased to see that when he returned... he's the one who normally took care of 'em. ;) --From Andoria with Love 15:26, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
- Before you say it, I just realized you deleted older talk pages. I saw you deleted ones from May 18, and I was thinking March 18. Sorry!!! Still, thanks for reminding me about them, and good job finding those I missed!!! :) --From Andoria with Love 15:29, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
- I'm assuming you meant the other way around. Actually, I thought it was 14 days, thanks for letting me know. Jaz talk 16:31, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, I meant the other way around: I saw you deleted ones from March, I thought May. Sorry about that, I was in a bit of a rush. I'm pretty sure it was only seven days, though. --From Andoria with Love 02:32, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
- I'm assuming you meant the other way around. Actually, I thought it was 14 days, thanks for letting me know. Jaz talk 16:31, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Unexplained revert Edit
Why the reverts to "In the Cards"? Why no explanation? Some time ago there seemed to be a consensus in the community that reverts should be justified in the edit summary or talk page. Is this gone now? 9er 08:09, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- I agree, I can't find a good reason for that revert anywhere. I also checked the changes made by 9er, and can't find anything that might have forced a rv - no vandalism, no spam, no removal of valid information - so I'm putting it back. Please try to discuss possible reverts on the talk page, the edit summary, or preferably both. -- Cid Highwind 08:58, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the welcome... Edit
...but if you'd like to look at Special:Contributions/Defchris you might see, that my first edit was actually about one year ago... Better late than never, eh? ^^; — defchris (✍ talk) 20:31, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
DS9 - episode # Edit
Jaz, I've signed up now per your message to me. There are most assuredly 176 episodes of DS9. Season 1 is 20 episodes and every other season is 26 episodes. Each 2-hr episode counts as 2 episodes, regardless of the inconsistencies in production numbers. This is consistent with the 178 episodes of TNG (should have been 182, but for writers' strike) and 172 of Voyager (should have also been 176 but for UPN's hold-over issues of the first 3 seasons chopping out 4 production hours from season 3).
I've also noticed that 2 of the movies have the wrong name. They are Star Trek Generations and Star Trek Nemesis. There is no colon in either movie title as the names were changed shortly before release on both movies, despite inconsistencies that have appeared in other sources (especially with Nemesis as the change occurred very shortly before the release).
I love the site and I look forward to continuing to explore it.
Feature length episodes count as two episodes See my discussion in the DS9 discussion page under yours which shows conclusive evidence. Look at "Dark Frontier" for more proof. If you think I'm wrong, perhaps you should consult Star Trek.com, the DS9 Companion, and the production staffs. Furthermore, in reruns, they are cut into two-episodes. Finally, the episode listing in the DS9 page itself is laid out showing that they are separate episodes and I didn't put that in there.
Also, the colons for the movies officially titled "Star Trek Generations" and "Star Trek Nemesis" are inappropriate as keeping them in is an error. If you don't want me to correct errors in Memory Alpha, I see no reason to have an account and be encouraged to make changes.
Also why do you correctly list Voyager at 172 episodes? This is inconsistent.-Mstein --Mstein 19:38, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Why does StarTrek.com list "Emmissary" as episodes 401-2 and "What You Leave Behind" as episodes 575-6? Also, why does every single source on the Internet state that there are 176 episodes? --Mstein 19:59, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- Even if they were, I can think of another that supports the 173, www.ditl.com, a site that I consider second only to MA for Star Trek info. --OuroborosCobra 04:02, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Be sure you are correct before changing my editing... Edit
I have noticed you have corrected me on a point of grammar, stating "Also, before a word starting with an H, an is used instead of a." on my talk page.
This is not true (and a grammatically incorrect fragment itself).
"Voyager encounters a temporal rift showing them an historic battle with the Borg." is a gramatically incorrect sentence.
"Voyager encounters a temporal rift, showing them a historical battle with the Borg." is the correct way to phrase the sentence (and that is what I am about to change it to.)
To quote 'tiscali.reference' :
"historic or historical?
A historic event is an important one, or one that may come to be regarded as important: The two heads of state signed a historic agreement. A historical event is one that belongs to history, so that it actually took place: King Arthur is generally believed to be a historical figure, though some regard him as legendary."
As Wolf 359 is an event in Voyager's past not their present 'historic' is simply wrong (but I missed it first time around, so I can't criticise you there!).
As I teach my ESL students (hint, hint - I teach English for a living!) -
1. "Don't use a two-letter word where a single letter will suffice."
2. "'A' is used before constanants, 'an' before a vowel sound."
Try saying "an history teacher", "an harbour" or "an haircut" out loud. These examples are clearly gramatically incorrect and illustrate my point well.
The choice of 'a' or 'an' before a word starting with the letter 'h' depends on the constanant sound. In this example it is a hard 'h' sound. 'An' is the correct term when there is a silent 'h', as in "an hour" but not before the words 'historic' or historical'.
I apologise if any of this is not as fully explained as possible (and any typos I may have left in) - I have just woken up and am writing this quickly before I leave for work. (And, yes, I know I've rewitten this piece several times and it's still not grammatically perfect itself...)
Sources : (the first specifically shows how a/an is used with the word 'historical')
- contributer ESL teacher or not, you're still wrong. The revision I made was to a soft H.
- For example:
- ...you're witnessing an historic moment: the birth of an alliance between the Dominion and the Breen. --Weyoun, "'Til Death Do Us Part" Also, please sign your name by leaving four ~ marks.
- This is an historic moment. -- Krax, "The Nagus"
---Reply from Ehdee 03:36, 8 June 2006 (UTC)Ehdee
Hi again, Jaz. I am still learning how to work MA (as an contributer, at least) so I hope you will have the grace to afford me a few mistakes as I learn to use the system's rules and conventions as they are intended to be used. (The 'four tilde mark' situation was unknown to me at first, but now I know it is a big deal to MA regulars so I will try to make sure I do things 'the MA way').
Now, to your the actual point of your reply...
Well, I'm not sure where to start pointing out your mistakes... (Sorry.)
Firstly, being a 'grammar Nazi', I could've had a field-day with the quote - "I hope you had fun righting this.".
Did you mean 'writing this'? Or did you mean 'correcting this'? Or was it all a very clever pun? It's almost impossible to tell which you intended from these three options.
As you made no jokes in the rest of your reply I'm having to discount the 'clever play-on-words' theory, which is quite sad, I feel...
Now - I pointed out the words "an historic" were incorrect for an article using the VOYAGER TIMELINE as the 'PRESENT' and the battle of WOLF 359 as a PAST event.
Just as someone looking out their window in Hawaii at the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor sixty-five year ago OR saw the jet's crash into the WTC five years ago saw AN HISTORIC event as it happened, nowadays when we talk about them in the past tense. Pearl Harbor was A HISTORICAL event and 9/11 iss A HISTORICAL event now that the time is behind us.
As the story "Ghosts" is from the perspective of the crew of Voyager, the battle of Wolf 359 was a PAST event. So the past tense ('a historical) is the only grammatically correct way to talk about it.
The examples from DS9 you use to try and 'prove me wrong' are invalid...
"This is an historic moment."?
Yes, was AN historic moment, because it is happening THERE AND IN THE 'PRESENT', not in the future or the past so the present tense 'an historic' is correct. If Krax foresaw a historic event it would've been phrased as "It will be a historical moment'.
You really need to learn your past, present and future tenses - you clearly don't yet. I teach it to adults learning unfamiliar English easily enough. An educated, native English speaker should have no trouble with it, surely.
Let's not argue, Jaz - you clearly know Trek better than me and I know the English language better than you do... We can work together and produce a serious and professional Wiki about a fictional universe or we can have tit-for-tat arguments when I get canon wrong and you get your English mixed-up.
Peace. (And apologies for the ironically bad spelling and grammar that these comments will surely have - The only chances I get to write are when I *leave* for work or just before bed, like now. So I'm alway going to be posting here at odd times and under pretty intense workloads.
Oh, and please refrain from comments like ESL teacher or not, you're still wrong. when you clearly haven't confirmed if I was actually wrong or correct in my judgement first. I'm not trying to insult you, just to edit a Trek Wiki - why should you have to insult me?
Ehdee 03:36, 8 June 2006 (UTC)Ehdee
I have not treated it as a chat room, nor do I intend to. Please do not 'correct' me when I am right, also do not accuse me of treating talk pages 'like chat rooms' when I have not. I have used it to DICUSS the problem and to TALK to you about it. That is the correct way to use a 'Discussion' or 'Talk' page. If I had treated as a chat room my inital rebuttal would've started :
"OMFG!!!!!111 1 h4v3 n071c3d y0u h4v3 c0rr3c73d m3 0n 4 p01n7 0f 6r4mm4r, 57471n6 "4|50, b3f0r3 4 w0rd 574r71n6 w17h 4n H, 4n 15 u53d 1n5734d 0f 4. R U t3h gh3ys??????"
Notice the subtle difference?
Otherwise I will state whatever I like (in whatever manner I like, so long as it is appropriate) in order to defend myself from ignorant criticism. Don't try and stifle my contributions just because you lack some English skills. And if you have no relevant response, don't make one. Ehdee 00:38, 9 June 2006 (UTC)Ehdee
- If you need to rant, I suggest you create a blog somewhere. Just don't do it on my talk page. -- Jaz talk 03:18, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
You seem to have ommitted the words 'OK. You were right from the start, but...' from the start your comment. But I'll not dwell that error in the name of diplomacy. Nevertheless - apology accepted. Ehdee 03:51, 9 June 2006 (UTC)Ehdee
Welcomed indeed. Edit
Thank you for pointing out my mistake. I was the anonymous user who added "USS" in front of 'Enterprise' on one of the mirror universe pages, when indeed the NX-01 predated the Federation and thus has no USS. I am a bit of a nitpicker, and prefer to make what's already on the web easier on the eyes and easier to read than adding more information to its clutter. I also thank you for not yelling at me, as I said, it was only a mistake, and am glad you did not overreact. Deusoma 05:32, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
RE: USS alka-selsior Edit
Ensign q 22:16, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing out my mistake.... Edit
Sorry, I got a bit hasty when I saw the episode and wanted to update, as I thought I'd found something major. Zorgon 03:29, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Page revert. Edit
Thanks for reverting my user page. Although I'm surprised you bothered. I am also surprised at the timing involved, I was just about to save a slightly newer copy anyway and pushed the save button just between the anon user and yourself. - Avron 07:01, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Auction images discussion Edit
Since the discussion on the auction images affected more than one page (at least three have been either uploaded, or attempted to be uploaded), I copied the discussion from File talk:Cosmos A to Z.jpg to Talk:40 Years of Star Trek: The Collection? yesterday. You may want to put your new comment there, instead of on the image talk page. --OuroborosCobra talk 00:57, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Bug with images Edit
I've been talking with JasonR on IRC, and the bug seems to have been fixed. I have confirmed this by looking at images that we did not try to revert during the bug, and they have indeed been fixed. Those images that we were reverting during the bug got messed up by us doing that, but I have fixed all of them. I have gone through recent changes just to see if there is anything that I missed, but I have gotten all of them that we messed with. I think we can remove the notice now. --OuroborosCobra talk 19:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Re:Recent problems Edit
The problem seems to have subsided for the time being. No further action is needed at the moment, but if it is, I'm sure Cid can handle it. ;) --From Andoria with Love 11:23, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi! I removed the song for the same reason I removed "Moon River" and added "Just in Time": he never actually performs it on the show. Using the list as a list of exactly what it says "Songs Performed", I tried to find "They Can't Take That Away From Me" on the show and it drove me absolutely batty. Until I realised it simply wasn't there, and, of course, it's only Odo and Sisko who sing/hum it. If it's supposed to be "Songs in Vic's Repertoire" then can we call it that rather than "Songs Performed"? In that case why not add the "Alamo" song from "Badda-Bing Badda-Bang"? Cheers. Kuwashima 23:09, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
- While we don't see him singing it, Odo mentions it. -- Jaz talk 23:18, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I don't think Odo does mention it actually! He just hums the song in Sisko's office. Let's compromise - the changes I made keeps the song in there but makes it unambiguous. Everybody wins! Kuwashima 23:36, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
- I am not familiar with the Alamo song. -- Jaz talk 23:48, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey Jaz, Thanks for the welcome! Looking forward to pouring through the huge amount of content here. The principal editor of the Dune wiki liked my contributions so much he made me an editor as well. I hope my contributions to this wiki will be valued as well. And thanks for the tips and suggestions. Cheers! --Mcada 07:33, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Regarding discussions Edit
You posted this in someone's edit of a talk page:
Welcome to Memory Alpha! Please understand that talk pages are for discussing the page itself, not reviews of the topic. -- Jaz talk 21:53, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Where do you actually go to discuss the topic of a page? Or does MA simply not provide a venue for that?
Thanks. --StarKruzr 00:08, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. I would like to make the suggestion, though (and I'm fairly sure this isn't the place to do that, so I'd welcome a pointer in the right direction) that some kind of venue be provided FROM the MA pages to a discussion area.
MA is probably the most comprehensive source of Trek information on the Internet. It makes sense that people are going to want to talk about the content and not just the existence/editing/whatever of the articles themselves - content that is this high-quality is naturally going to spark discussion. I think it might contribute to the enrichment of the content to have a MA-affiliated/linked/something discussion board where information from the board that's canon and relevant to the project can be folded back into MA. There is this: http://scn.nov-net.com/index.php but there are essentially no links from the forum to here, or from here to the forum. I guess what I'm trying to say is that discussion MA might consider "off topic" can actually be really beneficial to the development of the project.
Anyway, that's my 2¢. :) --StarKruzr 20:41, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Image used in your signature Edit
you still use an image (Federation logo) in your signature - could you please remove that? The main reason for my request is that using an image like that makes the page listing on its description page unusable, because it will list all talk pages you added something to.
Thanks, Cid Highwind 23:27, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
- I kind of like it there. If you don't mind, I'd rather keep it. -- Jaz talk 06:09, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Actually, yes, I do mind. As I mentioned above, using an image in a standard signature will lead to a mostly useless page listing on the image description page. This is not a request because I don't like sig images, but because this "unimportant" use of an image disturbs more important functions of this wiki. Other users were using sig images as well, and all of them were reasonable enough to remove that after a request - so I'm just requesting the same from you, now. -- Cid Highwind 10:45, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
- I hope you're not this rude to everyone, Cid. Really, was this such a big deal? Disturbs more important functions of the wiki. Seems a little ridiculous. --- Jaz 04:37, 15 November 2007 (UTC) (happy?)
- He could always make it a demand. ;) --From Andoria with Love 05:06, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, if you really want to call that "rude", then yes, that's my average level of rudeness... ;)
But, seriously, I don't think calling things the way they are is "rude" - and I really believe that a function that allows users to quickly see where a specific image is used is more important than a fancy signature. This is not just a hypothetical situation - just some weeks ago, I wanted to see which articles make use of the Federation logo, because I was going to suggest some changes to the graphic. Before doing that, I wanted to make sure that those changes would make sense with the current image usage. I couldn't do that, because links to random discussion pages were taking up the first 100 or so entries in the page listing.
So, it really is an issue of "sig images vs. important wiki functions", a problem that other contributors with sig images perfectly understood and removed images from their signature themselves. As it stands, only yours remains. -- Cid Highwind 09:13, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Re: Rewrite Edit
Hello Jaz. I thank you for your advice, but I think I'll go ahead with the rewrite in any way. The summary really misses a lot, and the goal is to get all the information from the episode, buecause as of now, the summary is based on a syndicated version. It doesn't match up completely with my DVD copy. So, I just thought of doing a major overhaul. Its not my first time, and I thank you for your advice again. I may have a re-nomination just to make sure it keeps up its stats, but I do think it deserves a rewrite. --Nmajmani 12:43, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
- Not sure, just something I've used since I was a kid. --- Jaz 23:06, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Why Memory Alpha is Failing Edit
- Sorry about butting in on someone else's talk page, but if you want to add to a discussion like that see User:Jaz/Future.--Long Live the United Earth 01:11, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
re: Talk:David Orange Edit
I have to ask - did you explain to Mr. Orange how this website works (being a wiki, and all) when you first contacted him to ask for permission to use an image from his website? That everyone can edit article content here? That you are one of many contributors to the site, but not the "official" spokesperson of the community, or the one deciding which content stays and which not? -- Cid Highwind 15:35, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- Ya, I was pretty clear that it was just a request from a community member, and how it works. We've worked it out now. See the talk page. --- Jaz 20:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Welcome back Edit
Erika Hernandez and Detroit Edit
You added (a long time ago) that "Home" states that Erika Hernandez is from Detroit. This has been removed, because we can't figure out where in the episode it says that. Can you shed any light on the matter? --OuroborosCobra talk 08:02, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, I haven't seen it in years. Wish I could help. --- Jaz 22:51, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
There is no verbal mention of Israel or Ilan Ramon. However, there is a visual mention of both. On STS-107, an insignia seen in the series and set photos, Ramon's name is printed next to his birth country's flag. Reference: [STS-107 Patch] [set photos] – Airtram3 05:06, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks - I stand corrected! I've actually been looking for an Israel reference for a long time, and I'm really glad you found one. --- Jaz 05:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
I have to ask... Edit
- Did I? I didn't even notice. Sorry. --- Jaz 00:27, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Heh, no big deal, but it was strange because of the revert back to the misspellings. :) — Morder 00:29, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
- Ya, part of my secret plot to change the spelling of illegal to iligal :) No, but seriously, I was changing one I missed, when review my edits, and I must not have seen the warning about someone editing it since my revision. --- Jaz 00:30, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
That's been happening a lot. I've been talking to the devs about it but nobody seems to know what's causing it...really sucks. Just thought it was funny :) — Morder 00:32, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Sorry I haven't responded to your recent question until now. I haven't been quite sure how to respond and you caught me off-guard this morning. While there have been several times I'd have liked to do things without having to ask others. I'm not sure I'm ready for the fun of why I wouldn't make a good one (especially with the recent de-admin thread), though it would be nice to know where my deficiencies are so that I can change or adapt (or possibly explain) and brutal honesty is what I've come to expect from a lot of the users here. :) (I'm sure I've pissed off more than my fair share of users here.) I'm still not fully versed in all policies as well (as evidenced by Cobra in my placement of some delete tags :)) And I know I've been wrong on more than one occasion as to the policies.
I've generally tried to stay out of the "petty back-and-forth" here because most of the time it a) doesn't involve me or b) isn't my place to say anything. There are times I have wanted to get into it though. :)
I appreciate the sentiment and another admin mentioned it to me as well, privately - so it's been on my mind. What ever you want to do I'm fine with and will accept your decision either way. I will also accept the firestorm of criticism that is sure to come if you do nominate me. So thank you, in advance. :) (This response still isn't want I wanted to say but at least you know a bit more about where I stand) — Morder 06:52, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Copyright False Alarm Edit
Re the Kate Vernon Image. Eyes Only is my brother. He personally secured permission from the image's copyright owner, Mr. Ronald Douglas, for use of his images here on MA. See the copvio page for the the text of the email. So relax, everything is legit. A great many actor images here come from his site, used with permission. He likes MA and likes the use of his images here because the site is non-profit and permission was asked BEFORE they were used. :) – Crimsondawn hears you... 13:58, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
- Glad to hear it. Thanks for letting me know. --- Jaz 02:09, 24 June 2009 (UTC)