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Sulfur

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Edit button missing Edit

First off, I hope your holidays went well and all that jazz.

To the matter at hand though, is wikia aware that there is no "non-new-section" edit button on forum like pages that are locked? See Forum:Overhaul of PR, FA, & AotW for an example. Even admins have to remove the "&section=new" from the address bar to access the wikitext already located on the page. The default new section button replacing the standard edit button really should be a user preference anyway. - Archduk3 05:17, January 5, 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Seems to be a very low priority though. I'll pester again. -- sulfur (talk) 12:51, January 5, 2014 (UTC)

Just so long as someone knows, though I can see there are still bigger problems afoot. In case that file is working by the time you see this though, at the time of this posting it is "oopsed" on the ESRB page. - Archduk3 07:34, January 6, 2014 (UTC)

Image galleriesEdit

Hey, I've got a question regarding a layout aspect on MemoryAlpha. I've noticed the image galleries (example) have a set width for each image in which the image automatically re-sizes to fit the box. How is this achieved? Because normally Wikia galleries don't do this. Kleaver (talk) 10:10, January 6, 2014 (UTC)
Wow, I still haven't had a response to this. Should I ask someone else? Kleaver (talk) 23:10, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

That's likely because I completely missed this along the way. Apologies. Memory Alpha has some pretty detailed CSS and JS in place that takes care of things like these. You might be better off asking Archduk3, as he's done a lot of the CSS work here. -- sulfur (talk) 00:33, April 10, 2014 (UTC)

Ok, I have done so. Thanks! Kleaver (talk) 18:12, April 10, 2014 (UTC)

Full stop issue Edit

Just going to talk here so we don't go through an editing war :). Just to say that it is not going by what wikipedia does but what is common practice in referencing. For example harvard referencing, the full stop goes outside the quotations. If it is practice for MA to have the full stop inside well I don't know where that has come from. --BorgKnight (talk) 20:27, January 7, 2014 (UTC)

Cards Edit

Seeing all the card image uploads, I was wondering if it is still fair use when an entire card set is uploaded? 31dot (talk) 22:00, January 7, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure. The original discussion was to test it out on one or two pages and then take a look at things. Might be worth bringing Cid into it, since he was the one that was in that conversation. -- sulfur (talk) 01:00, January 8, 2014 (UTC)
In copyright terms, it's no more egregious than capturing every single still of every single episode, which sites like Wikipedia that do things "by the book" would never allow but which fan sites are given a pass on. Sure, the medium is different and there's a theoretical possibility of depriving CBS of income, but that's highly unlikely. You should be fine as long as the MA version is low resolution. If you're really looking for fair use-type rationale, I would argue you're encouraging borderline unhealthy consumption of CBS products. Who in their right mind -- other than those of us who've given them more money than we care to admit -- would care about the images? ;) Unhappy Trekker (talk) 12:09, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
Just because we're encouraging "unhealthy consumption" doesn't give us a pass. Also, in the eyes of the Star Trek licensors, we're a much higher profile than Wikipedia, and we don't really get a pass on such things. -- sulfur (talk) 13:01, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
I don't believe posting pictures of the card sets is the same as uploading an entire video. Only half the card is uploaded (front image for identification purposes) and not the entire card. Also, keep in mind that when you upload a video you deprive the copyright holders of income because you won't then go out and purchase the video. However, with collectable items, posting these pictures of what you can go buy, is exactly what they hope for. If sites didn't exist showing all the items you can collect, the hobby would go away because people wouldn't know what to look for. It's like saying, "Since I saw a picture of [fill in the blank] I don't want to collect those items anymore". You would be much more likely to say, "Since I saw a pictures of [fill in the blank] I really want to find those items for my collection now". I've never heard of a trading card site getting a request to remove their pictures. Even with beckett.com which has front and back images of millions of cards from every manufacturer. Anyways, just my two cents. --Digitalhexcode (talk) 20:40, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
Alas, copyright doesn't work that way though, nor do the "fair use" laws. -- sulfur (talk) 20:56, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
A case could be made, and I should point out that I don't think it would ever have to be made outside of this, or similar discussions on site, that MA is only using these images for commentary, criticism, research, and library archiving. The only potential problem I see with these is the "the amount [...] of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole", but I think the "substantiality" I removed from the quote is in favor of fair use, since trading cards are far more than just the image on the cover. The other three factors in the balancing test more or less point to fair use as well. That said, I'm not sure if MA itself would, or even could, be ultimately liable in any case, as "we" would, of course, remove any and all images requested through the proper channels, and because I think either wikia or Digitalhexcode would be who any lawyer would go after. - Archduk3 21:54, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
I agree with Archduk3. The "Amount and substantiality" would be the questionable infraction for fair use. But it is the minimum amount of photo information required for identification of each item. Perhaps lower resolution would help ensure it passes the fair use test? I must not have been clear on what I was saying in my previous comment to Sulfur and Unhappy Trekker. I was arguing that there isn't any monetary harm by having photos in the trading card section because it isn't a substitute for purchasing a real one. That would be one of the four criteria for fair use and also important for determining restitution for damages in any lawsuit. It would also be applicable for a copyright holder in determining whether they would try to enforce their property rights. It doesn't make sense that CBS would spend money suing people to stop advertising their licensed products for sale. The net result would be spending upfront money so they can make even less money in the long run? --Digitalhexcode (talk) 22:54, January 9, 2014 (UTC)

Pre tag issue Edit

{{game ratings|ESRB=E}}
 ESRB Everyone          
{{video ratings|MPAA=G}}

MPAA G

The <pre> tag on Template:Game ratings/doc isn't working correctly for the first example, which is weird since the similar tags right on the page and at Template:Video ratings/doc are working just fine. Could this be similar to the {{clear}} issue awhile back? - Archduk3 19:38, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

Dev thingy Edit

What's your opinion on this? - Archduk3 20:58, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

Could've saved us a lot of pain on the image->file renaming project we did 3 months ago. :) -- sulfur (talk) 00:34, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

I take it it's worth testing here then? - Archduk3 00:50, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

It could be, but only I've got the bot flag ability... and it only really makes sense if we're doing a category rename. -- sulfur (talk) 01:03, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

The subcategories of the FA template category are a good place to test this then, since I got too fancy naming them, and now, for reasons only I most likely care about, need them to be named so the {{BASEPAGENAME}} magic word on the portals can be used in calling them. I figured the standard, but boring, format used for files would work best, e.g. "Memory Alpha featured article templates (People)". I can just do this by hand, but figured if you were game we might as well give this a shot. - Archduk3 13:35, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

I'll take a peek at it a bit later today if that's ok... work is going to be particularly busy this week for me. -- sulfur (talk) 13:37, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

That's cool, there's no rush. - Archduk3 14:02, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

I plan on renaming these categories in conjunction with making the FA page itself auto-updating, which will happen when the last few blurbs are created. I figured I could use Archbot to try this on the two "empty" categories, since I can't imagine that moving two pages at a time would flood the recent changes or anything. This is assuming that: everyone is cool with it, what with the automatic editing policy; that you haven't already tried this out by then; and, of course, that this actually works. - Archduk3 04:58, March 22, 2014 (UTC)

Tests with this return "internal_api_error_MWException" after creating the new category page. - Archduk3

DeForest Kelley fundEdit

FYI - DeForest Kelley Memorial Fund Reestablished

A few weeks ago, I contacted the North Shore Animal League (NY) because I wanted to make a donation in Mr. Kelley's memory. But I was disappointed to find that no one seemed to know about the Fund. So I followed up and sent them information about the memorial's original set up in 1999 after Mr. Kelley's death. The development person at the League said she would look into bringing the Fund back, and the first step would be to develop a new link so people could donate again.

I'm excited about this -- the new link has been approved and the DeForest and Carolyn Kelley Memorial Fund is offcially back in business! I've been calling/emailing websites, newsletters, fan clubs, etc. asking people to upload the new link or at least announce it. I've had a good response thus far. Here's the link:http://www.animalleague.org/support/how-you-can-help/deforest-carolyn-kelley-memorial-fund.html.

Would you consider uploading the link to the Memory-Alpha website or posting an announcement that the Fund has been reestablished? I believe that a lot of Star Trek fans will be happy to know there's a way to honor DeForest Kelley's memory by supporting his favorite charity. Thanks for your help! 207.87.90.100 19:09, March 6, 2014 (UTC)

Sean in Wikia Support sent me a link to you as an administrator for Memory Alpha. I hope this message reaches you.

A few weeks ago, I contacted the North Shore Animal League (NY) because I wanted to make a donation in DeForest Kelley's memory. But I was disappointed to find that no one seemed to know about the Fund. So I followed up and sent them information about the memorial's start back in 1999 after Mr. Kelley's death. The development person at the League said she would look into bringing the Fund back, and the first step would be to develop a new link so people could donate again. I'm excited about this -- the new link has been approved and the DeForest and Carolyn Kelley Memorial Fund is officially back in business! I've been calling/emailing websites, newsletters, fan clubs, etc. asking people to upload the new link or at least announce it. I've had a good response thus far. Here's the link: http://www.animalleague.org/support/how-you-can-help/deforest-carolyn-kelley-memorial-fund.html Would you consider uploading the link to the Memory-Alpha website or posting an announcement that the Fund has been reestablished? I believe that a lot of Star Trek fans will be happy to know there's a way to honor DeForest Kelley's memory by supporting his favorite charity.

Thanks for your help! 71.178.84.229 00:16, March 13, 2014 (UTC)

A notice has been placed on the main page and in the external links on DeForest Kelley. - Archduk3 14:09, March 13, 2014 (UTC)

You commit destructive behaviour Edit

On the Warp Factor page you said you want the matter to be discussed, BUT you, before any discussion decided the outcome of the supposed discussion. This means you are biased in the matter. Therefor all your actions shall be immediately withdrawn, and your status be examined by other moderators. The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.133.47.71 (talk).

Discussing and finding a solution does not automatically say that you're right. If you want to learn some things about Memory Alpha then you should read our policies and guidelines to keep this wiki consistent. And what sulfur did is what an admin is expected to do in this situation. So please keep the discussion at the talk page of the article instead of starting it at three different places. Thanks. Tom (talk) 14:06, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
You did not discuss, neither looked for solution. You did without consideration destroy the work of another. Therefor you are without doubt violated the rules you are pointing to, therefor you have no right in the case at all. Before I do anything, I demand you turn back every action of yours, and withdraw from the case, and give up all your authority until trial of your continuing authority. The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.133.47.71 (talk).
You might actually try signing your posts and reviewing policies as ThomasHL suggested. Making demands and threats is not the way to promote any position you have. 31dot (talk) 22:29, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

Renaissance Edit

I was wondering if you might be able to help me with this article - Renaissance. Per what I posted at the talk page, a number of existing links to the page are referring to the Italian Renaissance, but the page itself is about the book Renaissance by Peter David. I can think at least a couple different solutions-- move the content on the existing page to "Renaissance (book)" and make the current Renaissance page about the Italian Renaissance, or there could be a new page called Italian Renaissance and the existing references could be fixed to point to there. Thoughts? ProfessorTofty (talk) 14:45, April 11, 2014 (UTC)

I would suggest "Italian Renaissance" for the Earth one. -- sulfur (talk) 17:25, April 11, 2014 (UTC)
If I may weight in for a moment; I don't think "Italian renaissance" would be correct. While mostly associated with Italy, it went on in all of Europe, a fact which Star Trek acknowledged by calling Shakespeare a renaissance figure in TNG:Emergence. The term "Italian renaissance" exists (as a subfield of renaissance scholarship), but was never used on screen. You'd be equating a term with the definition of a narrower related term (if that makes sense). -- Capricorn (talk) 20:32, April 11, 2014 (UTC)

That's certainly a fair point. The Wikipedia article is called simply "Renaissance." Perhaps then, it would be better to go with the original suggestion? The existing "Renaissance" page could be moved to "Renaissance (book)", with a new entry at "Renaissance" for the cultural movement. Or I suppose "Renaissance (movement)" could be created instead, but a large number of the existing Renaissance references are for the movement. ProfessorTofty (talk) 20:46, April 11, 2014 (UTC)

What about Earth Renaissance? -- sulfur (talk) 01:31, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
...Or Renaissance (Earth)?...--Sennim (talk) 05:28, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

I like this latter one-- Earth Renaissance makes it sound like it was referred to that way on-screen, whereas having it in parenthesis like that makes it seem more like it's just for informational purposes. ProfessorTofty (talk) 14:26, April 18, 2014 (UTC)

Sulfur, is it possible that the Renaissance talk page has gone AWOL during your move of the page? -- Capricorn (talk) 15:10, April 21, 2014 (UTC)
As the comments were all in support of the move, historically, housekeeping as part of the process has been to remove the talkpage if those are the only things on it. So, yes, it went away. :) -- sulfur (talk) 15:14, April 21, 2014 (UTC)
Meh, fair enough -- Capricorn (talk) 15:23, April 21, 2014 (UTC)

FA review candidates Edit

If you have some time could you participate in the FA review process? Thanks. Tom (talk) 19:28, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

UFP images Edit

Sulfur, as you're an admin, I wanted to make you aware of my suggestion on U F P 01's talk page. Thanks. --| TrekFan Open a channel 15:01, April 19, 2014 (UTC)

Not to step on your toes, but I've increased the block to be indefinite until s/he responds. I'm not very interested in every few days having to clean up after someone who apparently can't or won't figure out how talk pages work, and I doubt you are either. - Archduk3 17:13, April 19, 2014 (UTC)

Policies and Guidelines Edit

Hi, I am an admin at the Almost Human wiki and we were wondering if we could base the polices and guidelines for that wikia using the excellent ones here?

We would of course make amendments as required to fit our wiki and would provide credit to this wiki.

Thank you for your consideration, --Noo4 (talk) 06:08, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

Sitenotice Edit

This workaround may interest you. It's clunky, but people won't have to go to the stupid "wiki activity" page anymore. - Archduk3 02:57, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

ZiyalEdit

Typing "Ziyal" into the search page brings up the following list:

  • Nane
  • Valonnan School
  • Ramufta
  • Tabalian glass
  • Cardassian Institute of Art
  • Hasperat souffle
  • Didactic Theater
  • Tora Naprem
  • Dukat
  • Ravinok
  • Cardassian sauna
  • Cox
  • Princess
  • Sons and Daughters (episode)
  • Melanie Smith
  • Call to Arms (episode)
  • Damar
  • Cyia Batten
  • Tracy Middendorf
  • Dukat's Bird-of-Prey
  • Groumall
  • Asparagus
  • Unnamed Breen
  • Director
  • Topek

... and that's the end of Page 1. Did you notice the absence of Tora Ziyal?

Why wouldn't we have a redirect page for "Ziyal" when that's the name by which she is always called? I just watched DS9 S05.26-S06.07 in rapid succession and heard no mention of her surname "Tora" anywhere. Going to look for the article is why I signed up and created the redirect in the first place.

Why wouldn't we keep it? Jsharpminor (talk) 23:13, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

It's a failing in the search engine. It has been addressed to Wikia. -- sulfur (talk) 00:16, May 25, 2014 (UTC)
So why delete the redirects that help users find the pages they're looking for? Is there a policy somewhere that can help me understand? Jsharpminor (talk) 05:07, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

User PageEdit

Sorry about creating a user page. I usually edit on a wiki that lets me have one.98.67.109.83 13:18, May 27, 2014 (UTC)

Log in with a user name and you're welcome to have one. -- sulfur (talk) 14:01, May 27, 2014 (UTC)

"Must Watch Videos" Edit

For some reason, we now have this module active, when I'm pretty sure we had it disabled before. -- Michael Warren | Talk 20:11, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

Different module. This one can't be disabled. We can CSS it out in our "personal" one though. -- sulfur (talk) 01:09, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

Depression Edit

Thanks. I'll get to work pronto. --Admiral Divok (talk) 17:13, June 2, 2014 (UTC)

COTEOF Edit

Thanks for moving the image name, I knew I forgot something! --Alientraveller (talk) 18:40, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

Deletion request Edit

I've messed up during a page move and as a result created an unnecessary talk page at Talk:There's a Hole in My Bucket. Could an admin clean this up this, please? -- Capricorn (talk) 06:50, June 22, 2014 (UTC)

Word of advice... don't blank those redirects. They become much harder to find when that's been done to them. -- sulfur (talk) 11:26, June 22, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry. It seemed like a good idea at the time... -- Capricorn (talk) 19:44, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Reverts Edit

Hey, thanks for reverting that vandal's edits. I saw the whole thing unfolding, but with no admins around I could think of nothing effective to do, which is pretty horrible. In the aftermath, I'm having a problem with my talk page though : a number of edits were made, but you only reverted the last one. I'd fix it myself, but apparently that doesn't seem possible, to undo changes so far back. Or at least not in any obvious way. I'm affraid of experimenting too much in case I make the situation even more complicated.

Also, for similar reasons Throwback's user page isn't back to how it was either. Totally my fault, actually, I did the blanking thing you just recently advised me against doing again... just seemed better then leaving a swastika on the page of someone who had voiced reasons to be distressed about it being there. Now the revert leaves the page truly empty, instead of having the "This brief blurb was placed here to..." message like before. I suppose that message is there for a good reason, but again, I don't understand this stuff well enough to know how to best act, revert or manually re-add the text or whatever.

Anyway, thanks again. Now seems as good a time as any to say I think your work on this wiki is pretty awesome ;-) -- Capricorn (talk) 01:56, June 28, 2014 (UTC)

For things like that, simply go into your history and look for the last "clean" revision. That's what I just did for your talk page. I deleted and rebuilt Throwback's page because it was just easier to do. :) -- sulfur (talk) 11:16, June 28, 2014 (UTC)

That's weird, when I tried that it said "The edit could not be undone due to conflicting intermediate edits.". -- Capricorn (talk) 13:28, June 28, 2014 (UTC)

You can't "undo" it, you have to go into the history, load that revision, edit the page, and then save it. -- sulfur (talk) 14:07, June 28, 2014 (UTC)

thanks! Edit

I've noticed you've edited a few of the articles i've created and i just want to say thanks! i'm fairly new to ma so i appreciate the help! :--) without your edits i'd probably still have articles full of mistakes and links that shouldn't exist! Lolaef (talk) 16:06, July 2, 2014 (UTC)

Resource policy Edit

Moved to here...

Template request Edit

Hey Sulfur, I think a Template:StarshipEndeavour is on it's place as there are a couple of them...-- Sennim (talk) 14:06, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

VandalismEdit

Hi, Ryan is sorry for vandalizing the star trek wiki and he will not do it again, and can you also unban him?

I don't know this wiki at all, but he asked me for a favor, so i did it anyway. -- Posted by Cuddlefan

We do not discuss blocks with anyone but the person blocked. They should use Special:Contact to discuss it with staff. -- sulfur (talk) 09:55, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

Hello, I'm RyanBurnsEdit

Look, I'm sorry for vandalizing this wiki. Can you please unban me? I promise I will never vandalize another wiki again. So, please unban me.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/User:RyanBurns

We do not discuss blocks in public. You should use Special:Contact to discuss it with staff. -- sulfur (talk) 10:02, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

It did not work.

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