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A Voth on Braxton's Timeship?
In Voy: Relativity. I do not have my DVDs to check..
- Nope, not a Voth.--Alan del Beccio 20:54, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
"Isolated Continent"
And yet, despite the disclaimer at the top of the page, the comments are still there, almost two years later...how tragic.
Anyway, on to something relevant...one piece of information missing from this article is the information about where exactly the Voth evolved. Janeway (I believe) hypothesized in the episode that the Voth developed on Earth on an isolated continent somewhere, managing to survive for millennia after the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs struck. Seeing as how the only truly "isolated continent" on Earth is Antarctica, it would be reasonable to conjecture that it was there, during a time before continental drift moved it to its present location and when it thus had a much warmer climate, the Voth developed. There is, of course, no canonical evidence of that, but if it had been anywhere else surely the ruins of their civilization would have been discovered at some point. A note about the 'isolated continent" on which the Voth evolved should be added to this article, if not the conjecture that the continent is in fact Antarctica itself. --Antodav 20:32, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- Here's the actual dialogue from the episode:
- CHAKOTAY: If a saurian species had developed a language and technology, you'd think they would have left something behind. But, what if it evolved on an isolated continent?
- GEGEN: A land mass that was destroyed.
- CHAKOTAY: Earth has been devastated by countless natural disasters over the course of it's history. Asteroids, volcanoes, earthquakes. All evidence of your race could be at the bottom of the ocean or under kilometers of rock.
- Taking this dialogue into account, adding the isolated continent as a theory where the Voth evolved would certainly be a good idea, but the speculation about Antarctica is a little too much...speculation in my opinion as the dialogue implies that that mysterious continent must have perished.--Jörg 20:53, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- A continent vanish? you mean like the lost city of Atlantis?--monkey2:twice the monkey 20:40, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I've always assumed that the continent referred to is Zealandia. Maybe someday this will be confirmed in canon. But anyway, quoting Wikipedia: "Zealandia, also known as the New Zealand continent, is a nearly submerged continent that sank after breaking away from Australia 60-85 million years ago[2] and from Antarctica between 130 and 85 million years ago. Most of it (93%) is now submerged under the Pacific Ocean." Bottom of the ocean indeed. 65.41.32.201 16:07, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
distant origin canon?
having just watched "Distant Origin" on Spike i made a quick search of Memory Alpha and was surprised to find that the Distant Origin Theory...theory...appears here as canon. understanding that we sometimes have to ignore real life science and accept some of the wacky ideas in Star Trek, i still don't think we should list the Voth alongside Humans as the native species of Earth. while Janeway and The Doctor seemed sure that the Voth evolved on Earth, nowhere beyond this did the episode explicitly state that dinosaurs left Earth for the Delta Quadrant. the episode focuses on the theory and the possibility of its validity, not the truth of what actually happened within the Star Trek universe. i think the language throughout Memory Alpha should reflect a less definitive stance on the theory. even with Chakotay's conviction, this still seems like a maybe to me. -- Deevolution 01:01, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
- I agree. Although implied, it was not conclusively established that the Voth are from Earth.--Connor Cabal 13:24, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
- I just watched it as well and it seemed very clear that these Voth were from earth. I think you guys are letting the established scientific doctrine influence your judgment. It may be crazy to assume that all evidence of a space faring civilization could be buried, but how did they really get you to cooperate? Did they threaten your families?!?!
- The Distant Origin Theory IS canon. The truth or falsehood of the theory is not established, in canon or otherwise. But the existence of the theory is canon. Hey, Warp Theory is canon too, while not being remotely realworld. 76.254.85.165 21:45, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- It seems likely that this species evolved on Earth. If I was going to call something into question it would be their traveling to the Delta Quadrant by their own technology. In the Trek universe it would be just as likely that some other god-like species came along and transported them. Jaf 18:49, 5 February 2008 (UTC)Jaf
- The Distant Origin Theory IS canon. The truth or falsehood of the theory is not established, in canon or otherwise. But the existence of the theory is canon. Hey, Warp Theory is canon too, while not being remotely realworld. 76.254.85.165 21:45, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- I just watched it as well and it seemed very clear that these Voth were from earth. I think you guys are letting the established scientific doctrine influence your judgment. It may be crazy to assume that all evidence of a space faring civilization could be buried, but how did they really get you to cooperate? Did they threaten your families?!?!