Good jerb reverting a legitamate edit. XDD --Bentbrain 09:29, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
Is the Kobayashi Maru (in the Prime Universe) the same as the USS Kobayashi Maru (in the Alternate Reality)?
The second film identifies the Kobayashi Maru as a commercial transport with her place of registry being a civilian port on a Federation world. Now, we have this ship, identified as the USS Kobayashi Maru. The USS clearly identifies the ship as a Starfleet registered ship. So, why are we saying these ships are the same when their place of registry is so vastly different? I am inclined to believe they are different.– Airtram3 21:13, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- The USS-prefix doesn't necessarily indicate a Starfleet ship. For example the USS Raven was a civilian Federation ship. --Pseudohuman 22:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
- In fact, the Raven was a Starfleet vessel. She bore the Starfleet pennant on her hull.– Airtram3 05:50, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
- It's worth remembering that only non-canon sources indicate that there was ever a real ship named Kobayashi Maru. From canon, we know it only from its use in the simulation — and it's possible that the simulation was altered over the years, so that it was a Starfleet ship when Jim Kirk took the test, but a civilian transport when Saavik took it. —Josiah Rowe 06:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
- In fact, the Raven was a Starfleet vessel. She bore the Starfleet pennant on her hull.– Airtram3 05:50, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
- Even the arrowhead-pennant doesn't necessarely prove a ship to be a Starfleet operated ship. For example SS Vico was also a civilian operated Federation ship like the Raven, both with pennants. The only thing that clearly indicates any ship to be specifically a Starfleet operated ship, is that it is stated to be such. For example SS Tsiolkovsky was a Starfleet ship even without the USS-prefix. I suspect the matter is simply that these ships were once either Starfleet ships that have since been decommissioned for civilian use, or civilian ships comissioned for Starfleet use. Some with name/hull/reg changes, some without. --Pseudohuman 08:55, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
I always got the impression that the raven was crewed by civilian employee's of starfleet. And before someone says it, yes... I know its just speculation, but it would seem to make the most sense.