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Background notes Edit

My work on the background notes on these episodes continues. I am removing the following note:

  • Lenore's conversation with Kirk on the observation deck, some of it quoted above, is loaded with double entendres, and is probably the raciest dialogue ever uttered in the series.

This note is entirely opinion, and to me fits in the same category as "the most famous blooper" notes. While those are remaining, it is usually because I can re-write the note to just state the blooper. With this, all I can do is say that her quote is "racy". Doesn't quite sound needed like that. --OuroborosCobra talk 04:59, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I removed the following note for discussion:
The voice of Captain Daily is the same voice used for "Starbase Operations" in "The Menagerie, Part I", and is the same actor seen as "Mike", one of Kirk's old classmates at the bar in "Court Martial". It is unknown if the actor is Tom Curtis or Frank da Vinci, as there is conflicting evidence.
Mike is definitely not played by da Vinci, and I'm pretty sure not Curtis either. If he truly is the actor who voiced Daily and Starbase Ops, then he couldn't be either actors. If on the other hand the unknown actor who played Mike is equally possible as the voice of Daily and Ops as da Vinci and Curtis are, then it needs to be reworded and placed back in (and ideally on the three articles, and maybe Mike's article).--Tim Thomason 22:06, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Music, not Effects Edit

The following text was moved to "Story and Production":

EffectsEdit

I am pasting here in case there is a disagreement. --GNDN 20:00, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Remastered Version Edit

I just saw the remastered version, and it was a complete screw-up on the order of the scenes -- looked like Intro, Scene 1, Scene 4, Scene 3, Scene 2. Was this an editor or a network screw-up? --71.245.138.67 00:17, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Most likely network. Remember that these are all being edited and shortened to allow for more ads by each network as they are syndicated. I imagine that it will be fine in the HD-DVD/DVD release. --OuroborosCobra talk 00:28, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Background Cleanup Edit

I removed the following for being seemingly groundless analysis/commentary:

  • This episode can be read as an allegory about the search for Nazi war criminals long after the end of World War II combat operations. The Soviet troops who liberated the Nazi capital believed they had found the body of Adolf Hitler, albeit burnt beyond recognition, in 1945 - twenty-one years before the production and first airing of this TOS episode.

I removed the following for being unnecessary analysis/commentary:

  • Spock's humanity is on display again in this episode. He is very impassioned as he speaks of the mass-murders on Tarsus IV.

I removed the following for nitpicking:

  • It takes considerably longer for the overloaded phaser to explode in this episode than it does for Kirk's phaser to blow up in "That Which Survives".
  • The design of the spray bottle has not changed at all since the 20th century, as witnessed in the poisoning of Riley's milk.

Cleanse 02:10, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Background speculation? Edit

I was going to put an {{incite}} tag on the following but decided to remove it here for discussion instead:

  • "The name of the planet that Kodos ruled, Tarsus IV, is a reference to the biblical Saul of Tarsus. Just as Saul experienced a conversion on the road to Damascus, and became the disciple Paul, so Kodos underwent an identity change by recasting himself as Karidian."

The first sentence needs a reference. The second seems like someone's (speculative) analysis. And given the atheism/non-Christianity of Mr. Roddenberry (and the other staff), I doubt he'd intentionally allow such a deliberate reference to what Christians believe was a literal miracle. Also: the parallels (aside from the planet's name; even the analogy of Paul's involuntary new identify breaks down – Kodos/Karidian switched because he was trying to hide) seem very shaky and arguable. Karidian didn't go back to the peoples' families he'd killed, make restitution, blatantly admit guilt, or help start a new religion.

Unless Barry Trivers or someone else stated this, I think it doesn't belong. Cepstrum (talk) 05:41, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

  • I agree. I've long considered removing it, but figured maybe someone would cite it. I'd say give it a few days and yank it. Sir Rhosis 21:07, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Removed nitpick Edit

  • Spock gives the computer four names-- Dr. Thomas Leighton, Anton Karidian, Lieutenant Kevin Riley, and Captain James T. Kir-- and asks for any events that all four of these people had in common. There was nothing all four had in common as three of them were witnesses to the executions while the fourth name, "Karidian," was an alias for Kodos and didn't exist at that time nor did Spock know this when he asked. The computer however gives Spock the right answer to what was essentially a wrong question.

Removed as a nitpick.–Cleanse ( talk | contribs ) 08:27, May 20, 2011 (UTC)


Cast and Characters Edit

 It is the first episode featuring the computer voice (although a talking computer was featured in "Mudd's Women").

Wouldn’t that mean then that this WASN’T the first episode to feature the computer voice? It was still Majel Barrett doing the work. The only difference was the sine wave in Mudd…

Scott McIntyre (talk) 15:48, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

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