Talk: Starfleet uniform (2250s-early 2270s)/archive

Revision as of 21:08, 20 July 2009

Starfleet officer at Orion colony

File:Starfleet uniform (Mid 23rd century-2265) shoulder epaulet.jpg

Does anyone know what exactly is on this officers shoulders, the supposed "braided epaulets?" I know it is not very visible in this photo, but if it is at all visible in the episode, it would be something to add to Starfleet ranks and so on no matter what it is.--Tim Thomason 15:07, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Here's a screenshot of the epaulet that shows the different stripes of gold better. --Jörg 17:00, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Department color codes

In the text below the images, there's a fair bit of speculation, some confusing wording and a subjective opinion. However some of the info is useful. Perhaps this merits some clean-up? (I would do it, but don't want to tick anyone off. I notice some people are rather touchy around here.) --Sasoriza 10:22, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I tackled it. There were notes about the "unfortunate" aesthetic quality of the later TMP beige uniforms (how off topic is that?), speculation about green dress uniforms (never seen in this era, but likely), speculation about a security department (security was never mentioned until after pilots, so why speculate), speculation about dress uniform colors (likely, but unsourced, they never appeared), etc

Sorry if we can be touchy here, Sas - I can tell that you think so from your user page. I can tell you, some other Star Trek wikis I've been to have problems with touchiness, deletionism and elitism. All the admins of all the Star Trek wikis should work on that. -- Captain M.K.B. 18:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Much of this criticism and cleanup is well received. However, while "security" personnel were not specifically mentioned in either the Cage or WNMHGB, they were clearly seen performing such "guard" duties as duplicated by redshirts during TOS. e.g. guard stationed by the bridge door, guard holding the only weapon on a prisoner. Therefore, the distinction as canonically defined during this period to 2265 as to patch and uniform color differences is applicable. There were guards, they wore blue shirts with "support/operations" insignia. Speculation would involve theorizing why. --Dogg 23:33, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Disctinction should be made as to the variants of uniform division color and different division patch insignia. In particular, Command division colored uniforms are seen with operations/support insignia, particularly in the Cage. WNMHGB has support division colored shirts with sciences insignia and science division colored shirts with support insignia. Though speculation should be kept to a minimum, the disparities are clearly present and should be accounted for under canon explanations.--Dogg 23:33, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Removed

"Montgomery Scott, Engineers and more than a few unlucky away team Ensigns wore red shirts."

I removed the above statement. It was written very informally and doesn't seem to belong anyway. If it does belong then it needs to be rewritten. – Morder 16:48, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

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 :''"Montgomery Scott, Engineers and more than a few unlucky away team Ensigns wore red shirts."''
 I removed the above statement. It was written very informally and doesn't seem to belong anyway. If it does belong then it needs to be rewritten. &ndash; [[User:Morder|Morder]] 16:48, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
-== Was "Captain" Pike really a captain? ==
-It has long been assumed that the single stripe system was used to represent all commissioned officers, rather than a formal rank system established in the series. I believe this was based on something Roddenberry said. However, the fact is Kirk wore two stripes under a virtually identical rank system. Without knowing the background, from a strictly canon perspective, isn't it possible that Chris Pike was in fact a commander by rank and in charge of his own ship as the "Captain"? He had only been in command for less than 4 years by 2254. He was awfully young and we know Kirk is the youngest to make Captain in Starfleet at 31. Could he have been given command without a promotion to Captain? It is not without precedent in modern military, however, not so sure about Constitution class equivalents.--[[User:Dogg|Dogg]] 20:55, 20 July 2009 (UTC)