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| + | I would like to propose the following message, to be added to this article and those of all agencies in starfleet. -- [[User:Redge|Redge]] | [[User talk:Redge|''Talk'']] 18:07, 14 Aug 2004 (CEST) |
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| − | I think that a lot of the original text concerning Starfleet was confusing the Earth Starfleet's purpose and values with those of the Federation Starfleet. In ''Enterprise'', it seems that Archer was never picked for his diplomatic skills at all -- witness his brief meeting with Ambassador Soval in the sickbay in "Broken Bow," for example. It seems to me that Earth's Starfleet is simply busy developing its technologies at this time, and providing some limited defense functions against low-level threats to whatever close-by colonies they've established. |
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| − | As for diplomacy and other high-sounding morals, I think that those are what Captain Archer is developing as he goes along. Certainly, his point of view will have some important effects when he gets back and can start guiding the next generations of explorers, but for now, Earth's Starfleet seems to be much more practical. -- [[User:MinutiaeMan|MinutiaeMan]] 08:17, 23 Dec 2003 (PST) |
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| + | | [[Starfleet Corps of Engineers]] |
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| + | | [[Starfleet Medical]] |
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| − | Earth Starfleet was chartered in Jonathan Archer's lifetime as revealed in the ENT episode "Horizon". [[User:Jean Prouvaire|Jean Prouvaire]] 07:11, 4 Apr 2005 (EDT) |
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| − | Add Admiral Douglas from TATV |
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| + | | colspan="4" align="center" | [[Starfleet Command]] |
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| + | :I'd go with the first one as it more clearly shows the different links for those of us without links being underlined in our browsers, the bigger font is good too. -- [[User:Avron|Avron]] 03:31, 15 Aug 2004 (CEST) |
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| − | I just reverted the last edit by Mike Nobody, which basically consisted of random speculation, and, for some bizarre reason, the pasting of the content of [[Starfleet]] into the article. I'm not entirely sure what his purpose was in doing so, but it certainly didn't strike me as being particularly improving in its content. -- [[User:DarkHorizon|Michael Warren]] | [[User talk:DarkHorizon|''Talk'']] 13:47, 4 Oct 2005 (UTC) |
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| − | *I was attempting to combine ''Starfleet'' into one category, with "before" and "after" Federation areas. I floated the idea on the talk page some time ago with no response. Instead of page hopping between Earth and Federation Starfleet, I wanted to unify it into a cohesive timeline of sorts. So, anyone who typed "Starfleet" would have a nice clear point to explore the subject.--[[User:Mike Nobody|Mike Nobody]] 13:59, 4 Oct 2005 (UTC) |
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| + | ::How about this instead.. it avoids that table/clumping effect.. [[User:Captainmike|Captain Mike K. Bartel]] 05:01, 15 Aug 2004 (CEST) |
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| − | Why Earth's Starfleet and Starfleet are not the same, Starfleet is Earth, Vulcan, Andorian, et.al after the Federation is chartered Earth's Starfleet is "decomitioned" and most if not all of it's ships are retired, otherwise Enterprise NX-01 should have been refitted with a Warp 7 engine and returned to active duty, not placed storage. the ship was only 10 years old in TATV, Kirk's ship (the 1st one) lasted for 40 years. |
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| + | | align="center" | [[Starfleet Operations]] | [[Starfleet Intelligence]] | [[Starfleet Tactical]] <br /> [[Starfleet Security]] | [[Starfleet Corps of Engineers]] | [[Starfleet Medical]] |
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| + | Well, it adds two divisions that were not mentioned in the article itself, but for the rest. I only don't like Starfleet Medical being the only one on the second line, so I fixed that. How is it now? --[[User:Redge|Redge]] | [[User talk:Redge|''Talk'']] 11:42, 15 Aug 2004 (CEST) |
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| + | : I like the last one here; my 2¢. — [[User:Pd THOR|THOR]] 21:51, 29 Mar 2005 (EST) |
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| + | Dividing Starfleet into pre- and post-Federation sections is a little confusing and inefficient. Combining them into one category with a more detailed timeline, showing the evolution of this agency from a single-planet-single-function agency into the organization it later became through the centuries. Does [[UESPA]] still exist in the [[24th Century]]? What about the [[29th Century]]? Kirk described [[Starfleet]] once as a "combined service" but denied being in the military, yet once stated "I'm a soldier, not a diplomat." [[Colonel West]]'s appearance in Star Trek 6 would indicate that Starfleet Marines of some sort (MACOs?) still exist in the [[23rd Century]]. This is convoluted enough without splitting the subject into unnecessary categories. I try to use canon sources as much as possible and minimize speculation. ''If I do, I usually type it in Italics.''--[[User:Mike Nobody|Mike Nobody]] 02:15, 20 Sep 2005 (EDT) |
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| + | ::I put the table into a template so that it could be used on the other "branch" pages. [[User:Nwo4life|nWo 4 Life]] 21:16, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC) |
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| + | Do we really need to divide [[Starfleet]] into pre- and post-Federation categories? It seems a little confusing and inefficient to me. Why not combine them into one concise timeline detailing how it began from a single-planet-single-function agency into a de-facto military operation to what it became in later centuries? Is there still a [[UESPA]] in the [[24th Century]]? What about the [[29th Century]]? Kirk once described Starfleet as a "combined service", yet denied being the military, and once stated "I'm a soldier, not a diplomat." There seems to be a Starfleet Marines (MACOs, maybe?)in the [[23rd Century]], due to the presence of [[Colonel West]] in Star Trek 6. This subject is too long and convoluted enough without splitting it up into unnecessary categories.--[[User:Mike Nobody|Mike Nobody]] 07:05, 20 Sep 2005 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 21:16, 29 December 2005
I would like to propose the following message, to be added to this article and those of all agencies in starfleet. -- Redge | Talk 18:07, 14 Aug 2004 (CEST)
| The branches of Starfleet | |||
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| Starfleet Command | |||
| Starfleet Intelligence | Starfleet Security | Starfleet Corps of Engineers | Starfleet Medical |
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| The branches of Starfleet | |||
| Starfleet Command | |||
| Starfleet Intelligence | Starfleet Security | Starfleet Corps of Engineers | Starfleet Medical |
- I'd go with the first one as it more clearly shows the different links for those of us without links being underlined in our browsers, the bigger font is good too. -- Avron 03:31, 15 Aug 2004 (CEST)
- How about this instead.. it avoids that table/clumping effect.. Captain Mike K. Bartel 05:01, 15 Aug 2004 (CEST)
| The branches of Starfleet |
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| Starfleet Command |
| Starfleet Operations | Starfleet Intelligence | Starfleet Tactical Starfleet Security | Starfleet Corps of Engineers | Starfleet Medical |
Well, it adds two divisions that were not mentioned in the article itself, but for the rest. I only don't like Starfleet Medical being the only one on the second line, so I fixed that. How is it now? --Redge | Talk 11:42, 15 Aug 2004 (CEST)
- I like the last one here; my 2¢. — THOR 21:51, 29 Mar 2005 (EST)
Dividing Starfleet into pre- and post-Federation sections is a little confusing and inefficient. Combining them into one category with a more detailed timeline, showing the evolution of this agency from a single-planet-single-function agency into the organization it later became through the centuries. Does UESPA still exist in the 24th Century? What about the 29th Century? Kirk described Starfleet once as a "combined service" but denied being in the military, yet once stated "I'm a soldier, not a diplomat." Colonel West's appearance in Star Trek 6 would indicate that Starfleet Marines of some sort (MACOs?) still exist in the 23rd Century. This is convoluted enough without splitting the subject into unnecessary categories. I try to use canon sources as much as possible and minimize speculation. If I do, I usually type it in Italics.--Mike Nobody 02:15, 20 Sep 2005 (EDT)
- I put the table into a template so that it could be used on the other "branch" pages. nWo 4 Life 21:16, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
Starfleet
Do we really need to divide Starfleet into pre- and post-Federation categories? It seems a little confusing and inefficient to me. Why not combine them into one concise timeline detailing how it began from a single-planet-single-function agency into a de-facto military operation to what it became in later centuries? Is there still a UESPA in the 24th Century? What about the 29th Century? Kirk once described Starfleet as a "combined service", yet denied being the military, and once stated "I'm a soldier, not a diplomat." There seems to be a Starfleet Marines (MACOs, maybe?)in the 23rd Century, due to the presence of Colonel West in Star Trek 6. This subject is too long and convoluted enough without splitting it up into unnecessary categories.--Mike Nobody 07:05, 20 Sep 2005 (UTC)