shouldnt this be listed under Unnamed USS Enterprise (NCC-1701) personnel, seems to me it fits the criteria. --Alan del Beccio 15:57, 25 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- I think the list is just a remedy if we have no other "simple" way of naming an article about a person. This one has a pretty unique and identifiable name and more backstory than most persons on that list, so I see no reason to move this. There could still be a link from that page to this, though. -- Cid Highwind 16:32, 25 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- There has been some debate as to how an officer with the mere rank of lieutenant can become the first officer of a starship. The reason for this is that, when Gene Roddenberry first created Star Trek, the first rank structure he employed was based on the system used in the US Army, rather than naval ranks we have come to associate with Starfleet.
- This is just wrong. The highest grade of Lt in the Army is a First Lt, who holds the equiv. rank of a Lt JG in the Navy, which ::ranks below a Lt.
- I'm not sure what you mean by "this is just wrong"; the fact is that's how Roddenberry had the rank structure when the series was created. Were you just making an observation, stating your dislike on the rank structure? :D --From Andoria with Love 13:41, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
- The Army was never mentioned in relation to "The Cage" ranks -- in fact, a naval lieutenant (which Number One presumably was) is equivalent to an Army captain -- meaning that assigning her an Army lieutenant rank would place here even lower in the scale than a Starfleet lieutenant rank. Doesn't this compound the problem more?
- I'm not sure what you mean by "this is just wrong"; the fact is that's how Roddenberry had the rank structure when the series was created. Were you just making an observation, stating your dislike on the rank structure? :D --From Andoria with Love 13:41, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
- BTW, other lieutenants, like Maxwell Burke, have been shown to be starship first officers before, albeit in times of duress or attrition. (IIRC, Lt. Cmdr. Data named Lt. Worf as his first officer in "Gambit", also do to the loss of higher ranking personnel) -- Captain M.K.B. 15:39, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Speculation: Number One's Rank as X-O
It is merely a thought, but considering there were a number of casualities and injured from their mission to Rigel, could Number One have been the acting First Officer? Granted, there wasn't anyone specifically mentioned except for Pike's yeoman. If the true X-O was merely injured and would have recovered at the medical facilities on Vega, then Pike and others wouldn't make as big of a deal of the X-O as they did with the yeoman's death. Plus, it may explain Number One feeling left out of the original landing party as she may been the only one left who wasn't injured or dead with the most experience.Scott E. Hileman
- That seems to be a possibility and it reconciles some problems. Perhaps the background note should be edited to allow for this? Jaf 23:36, 21 March 2006 (UTC)Jaf
Number One's Name
I think the speculation on why Number One is referred to as Number One is looking in the wrong direction. It is somewhat well known that Gene Roddenberry based the character of Captain Kirk loosely on C.S. Forester's Horatio Hornblower. There are a few places in those novels where a ship's second in command is called "Number One." For example, in the first book of the Hornblower series, "Mr. Midshipman Hornblower," there is a chapter in which Horblower is going ashore for a duel with a fellow officer. As he prepares to leave the ship, another fellow officer says to Hornblower, "Number One's letting us have the second cutter," a reference to the ship's first lieutenant and second in command. This raises the same question about the Hornblower books that is raised about Pike's Number One; why is she only a lieutenant? It appears from the Horblower books that the British Navy of the early 19th century only had three officer ranks: midshipman, lieutenant, and captain. Interestingly enough, this scheme fits perfectly with the rank insignia used on the sleeves of starfleet uniforms in the two TOS pilots. -- medleyj
It doesn't make any sense that she would have been a Lt. XO based on Army rankings. Second and First Lt. are equiv. to Ensign and Lt. JG in the Navy, respectively. A full Naval Lt. would be a Captain in the Army. - 66.55.217.228 07:05, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- You would be right, except that everyone on the ship in that episode was under the army system. In that case, Captain Pike would be right above Lt., since it was an army rank Captain (equivalent to Navy full Lt.) right above an army rank Lt. --OuroborosCobra talk
07:09, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
NBC vs Number 1
I read somewhere (I can't remember where) that NBC wanted to get rid of the Number 1 character, not because she was a woman XO of a starship, but because of her (Majel Barrett Roddenberry) relationship with Gene Roddenberry. Essentially the network viewed it as a conflict of interests for Gene Roddenberry to cast his then girlfriend as a lead character in his new TV show. Does anybody know more about this? 198.82.82.119 14:48, 28 August 2006 (UTC)