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:My point is that if you're not going to speculate about the curious resemblance between numerous crew and officer on-board the Enterprise, then you have no business speculating about Leslie's friends or his name "Ryan/Connors" or the reason he had so many roles on the ship. Just because I don't have an account does not mean that my sources are uncited. -- [[Special:Contributions/70.183.6.175|70.183.6.175]] 20:05, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
 
:My point is that if you're not going to speculate about the curious resemblance between numerous crew and officer on-board the Enterprise, then you have no business speculating about Leslie's friends or his name "Ryan/Connors" or the reason he had so many roles on the ship. Just because I don't have an account does not mean that my sources are uncited. -- [[Special:Contributions/70.183.6.175|70.183.6.175]] 20:05, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
 
::::[[Leslie#Background information|Have you even read the article]]? --[[User:31dot|31dot]] 20:14, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
 
::::[[Leslie#Background information|Have you even read the article]]? --[[User:31dot|31dot]] 20:14, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
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:1. Speculation: Leslie is "affable." No one ever said he was affable. Going to the crew lounge does not make you affable. Shy people, jerks and many other types of people go to the crew lounge.
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:2. Speculation: Leslie's name is Ryan/Conners/Leslie.
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:3. Speculation: Paskey plays one character who works in helm, engineering, navigation, security AND medical. This speculation is controverted by the fact that in Assignment: Earth Paskey appears in 3 different places in 3 different uniforms at the same time.
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:4. Speculation: Paskey rose from the dead. This is controverted by the fact that many Star Trek actors played multiple roles, but only one (Spock) rose from the dead.
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Compare this article to the [[Hadley]] article which freely admits to speculation. This article purports to be authoritative but is in fact rife with speculation.
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I have reference my sources. Please rebut my source, and explain why these four critical areas are anything less than speculation. '''Have you read the article?!'''
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This article speculates that Leslie was a superhuman death-dying multi-talented officer with several names. Please explain how in Assignment: Earth, Leslie is in three places in three different uniforms at the same time. Watch the episode. After you watch that episode tell me how it can square with this article on any level. This article is a huge mountain of speculation built upon the fact that Paskey played numerous characters. If you're going to claim that Leslie was skilled in medical, engineering, helm and navigation AND rose from the dead, then why not assume that Leslie was also and Ekosian rebel? I have read the article, but more importantly, I have watched the show. -- [[Special:Contributions/70.183.6.175|70.183.6.175]] 21:19, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

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Ryan?

The Naked Time suggests his first name may be Ryan as Spock calls him this. Should this be an acceptable first name, and his entry changed to Ryan Leslie? Or should a separate appearance as Ryan be added? --Myko

I believe he called him Rand, as in Yeoman Rand. She was suppose to be the one to take the helm but somehow it didn't happen and he was put in the place and no one caught the error. --TOSrules 03:43, 24 Nov 2005 (UTC)
The subtitles for the episode show Mr. Spock saying "Take over here, Rand."68.111.167.39 20:07, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Ensign?

Was Leslie ever called an ensign at any time in the series? You shouldn't go based on rank stripes, since incorrect rank insignia were frequent mistakes on the series. --Shran 10:06, 4 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Leslie wasn't called lieutenant either afaik. So you might as well accept the stripes. --Myko 11:48, 4 Aug 2005 (UTC)
His uniform consistantly had Lieutenant rank stripes, and I believe he was called Lieutenant at least once. - AJHalliwell 19:58, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Leslie's first appearance with rank stripes was "The Alternative Factor" (or thereabouts i believe --i've been sorting a lot of research material dealing with him) -- but i thought that from that time he wore rank stripes only semi-consistently -- excepting "Obsession" and a few others in which he did wear none even after wearing them for a time. I think that there are enough stripeless lieutenants (masters, mcgivers, leslie, hadley, kyle) that we can chalk this up to some sort of error. -- Captain Mike K. Barteltalk 02:12, 24 Nov 2005 (UTC)
I've reverted an IP edit calling him an ensign for this reason, since crewman, chief, ensign and occasionally lieutenants all wear no rank insignia, it seems kind of presumptuous to assume he was an ensign. He might've been a warrant officer for all we know, so calling him an ensign is pure speculation. -- Captain Mike K. Barteltalk
To clear this up, everytime Eddie Paskey appears in a red uniform in the first season he has no rank stripes. Up until the middle of "The Squire of Gothos" that is. For the first half or so of the episode he has no stripe, but from the scene where he sits in the captain's chair and on he has Lieutenant stripe. Probably because the creators didn't think it would be right for an ensign to be in command. There is no continuity violation AT ALL to have him as ensign up until this point (except maybe a strangely timed promotion). To have him as Lieutenant contradicts on-screen information, but yes there are many examples of stripes not matching. --Myko 17:02, 8 Dec 2005 (UTC)
Well, having him as "lieutenant" doesn't contradict onscreen information too much -- as we know of several other officers referred to as lieutenant but lacking rank insignia -- meaning that lieutenants don't necessarily wear stripes. Even though calling him "ensign" is one of the possibilities, its not a definite one, and therefore speculation (as "lieutenant" also is, up until that point). The most accurate way to describe his rank is "unclear up until "The Squire of Gothos", lieutenant from then on". I myself happen to think that he should've at least spent some time as a lieutenant junior grade, and that having no stripes might signify this -- but its equally possible he was promoted to lieutenant directly from ensign, as we know that two grade promotions (possibly in quick succession) are rare but possible -- this means he could also have been an ensign in a few appearances, a lieutenant junior grade in others. remember also that in his final appearance he wears no rank insignia, nor does he wear any in "Obsession" (and in an additional indignity to dying, he is on a team led by an ensign).
Another point supporting a "lieutenant junior grade" supposition -- Spock, Ben Finney, and Giotto all wore insignia that were one grade higher than their actual rank -- meaning that some type of temporary of courtesy promotions might've been occurring (i'd love some military buffs to chip in two cents on this). Leslie might've been Lieutenant JG all along, sometimes wearing no stripes, sometimes bumped up to wear a stripe a grade higher than he was. Captain Mike K. Barteltalk 17:40, 8 Dec 2005 (UTC)

annotated appearances list

didn't want to simply delete this, but its quite lengthy, and (when the article is complete) duplicates every data point in the text of the article

i don't feel that we need an appearances list, as the list is duplicated at TOS recurring characters -- however this version is a good working guide as to what information this article will eventually include: -- Captain Mike K. Barteltalk

-Seen in the recreation room behind James Kirk and wearing an operations division beige tunic
-Appears outside Gary Mitchell's holding cell as a security guard wearing a sciences division blue tunic
-Located at the engineering station on the bridge while sporting an operations division red tunic
-Meets Ruth Bonaventure in sickbay while wearing a command division olive green jumpsuit as an orderly
-Doctor Leonard McCoy calls him "Connors" in sickbay
-Seen with the geological landing party behind Hikaru Sulu and sporting a sciences division blue jumpsuit
-Appears stricken with frostbite on a mobile stretcher in the transporter room while wrapped in a blue blanket
-Operates the helm on the bridge in a Starfleet operations division red duty uniform
-Treats an injured Mr. Spock as a sickbay orderly and wearing a sciences division blue jumpsuit
-Operates the helm on the bridge in a red tunic
-Spock calls him "Ryan" on the bridge
-Seen standing behind a table in the recreation room and wearing a red uniform as Uhura serenades
-Appears in a red tunic at the engineering station on the bridge
-Seen on the bridge operating the engineering console in a red uniform
-Shown standing on the bridge near the engineering station in a red tunic
-Seated at the engineering console on the bridge in a red shirt
-Operates the helm on the bridge in a red uniform
-James Kirk calls him "Mr. Leslie" for the first time
-Seen in a red uniform and performing duties in the engineering station on the bridge and the transporter room
-Appears in an operations division red tunic at the engineering station on the bridge
-Seen in a corridor wearing a command division gold tunic as Spock makes a public announcement to the crew
-Operating the helm on the bridge in a red uniform
-Appears in a red shirt while performing tasks at the engineering console, the helm, and the transporter
-Briefly in charge of the bridge while sitting in the command chair and sporting a red shirt
-Seen wearing a red uniform while at the engineering station on the bridge
-Appears in a red tunic while operating the helm
-In command of the bridge for a second time while sitting in the command chair with a red shirt
-Fires the ship's phasers towards the planet on James Kirk's command
-Given onscreen credit on the list of end credits as "Lesley"
-Appears at the engineering console in a red tunic
-Seen with the Beta III landing party and wearing the attire of the local inhabitants
-Appears in a red uniform on the bridge, at the dinner table with Khan, and in Khan's row of prisoners
-Shown in a red shirt on Omicron Ceti III handling parcels and in a line heading towards the transporter room
-Publicly defies James Kirk's orders to return to his station which Kirk interprets as an act of mutiny
-Given onscreen credit on the list of end credits as "Crewman" -->
-Appears in a red uniform with a security team on Janus VI to hunt for the Horta
-Seen in a red tunic at the engineering station on the bridge
-Shown at the engineering station on the bridge in a red uniform
-Appears in the transporter room wearing a red tunic
-Attacked by Mr. Spock and rendered unconscious by the Vulcan nerve pinch in the transporter room
-Seen sporting a red uniform at the engineering console and the helm
-Shown at the engineering station on the bridge wearing a red shirt
-Appears at the engineering console in a red tunic
-Seen sitting by Mr. Spock and Hikaru Sulu while wearing a red shirt and performing operations with a device
-Shown at the engineering station on the bridge sporting a red tunic
-Performs operations while seated at the engineering console in a red uniform
-Seen seated at the engineering station in a red uniform
-Performs navigation duties in a command division gold uniform on the bridge
-Assists Doctor Leonard McCoy in carrying Montgomery Scott's body to sickbay after Nomad attacks Scotty
-Seen in an operations division red uniform at the engineering station on the bridge
-Shown sporting a red uniform at the engineering console in the normal universe
-Not seen in the "Mirror universe"
-Seated at the engineering station on the bridge wearing a red tunic
-Assigned as a security guard sporting a red shirt aboard Deep Space Station K-7 on James Kirk's orders
-Leaves the lounge in Deep Space Station K-7 as Cyrano Jones enters
-Standing by the doorway as numerous tribbles fall out of the storage compartment and onto James Kirk
-Holds a pair of tribbles and assists James Kirk in uncovering the identity of the Klingon spy
-Seen standing on the bridge near the helm in a red uniform
-Appeared walking in a red tunic along the corridor as James Kirk walks into sickbay
-Seated at the engineering console wearing a red uniform
-Seen sporting a red shirt on the bridge while signing the records tablet and sitting at the science console
-Appears with a landing party on Argus X as a security guard in a red tunic
-Attacked by the cloud creature on Argus X and apparently "dies"
-Seen walking along Enterprise corridor after the attack and passing Leonard McCoy while wearing a red shirt
-Walks along a corridor in a gold shirt as Christine Chapel enters sickbay
-Seen sporting a red uniform at the engineering console
-Faints on the bridge and is treated by Leonard McCoy and a medicial assistant at the engineering station
-Standing near the science station on the bridge in a red shirt while writing on the records tablet
-Seen displaying a red tunic near the engineering station on the bridge
-Transformed into his essential elements in cubic form by the Kelvans
-Seen sporting a red shirt as a security guard in the transporter room and at the engineering console
-Shown twice walking along the corridor near the briefing room while wearing a gold shirt
-Carries Doctor Richard Daystrom to the bridge turbolift while wearing a red uniform
-M-5 computer lists Leslie as one of twenty crew members deemed essential for the operations of the Enterprise
-Seated at the engineering console displaying a red tunic
-Beams down to Omega IV and performs security duties in a red shirt
-Has custody of Captain Ronald Tracy of the U.S.S. Exeter for his violations of the Prime Directive on Omega IV
-Displays red tunic at the engineering station on the bridge and in the transporter room
-Seen sporting a command division gold uniform while walking along a corridor
-Wears an operations division red jumpsuit in the main engineering room in the presence of Montgomery Scott
-Performs his duties while wearing a red shirt at the engineering station aboard the bridge
-Operates the engineering console in a red uniform
-Offers his seat to the Dohlman of Elas, Elaan, as she visits the bridge when the Enterprise is under attack
-Seen standing near the engineering station in a red shirt as a Romulan-looking James Kirk enters the bridge
-Hands to James Kirk a records tablet for him to sign after the Enterprise evades the Romulan ships
-Posted as a red shirted security officer on the bridge
-Had difficulty understanding James Kirk's orders as Tommy Starnes transformed Kirk's words into gibberish
-Seen by the engineering station on the bridge while wearing a red uniform
-Stands in a corridor wearing a red shirt as James Kirk makes a public address to the crew
-Accompanies James Kirk as a security officer to prevent the assassination of Ambassador Kollos
-Last appearance in the Original Series

DS9:

-Performs security duties while sporting a red tunic aboard Deep Space Station K-7

Please check this article

I don't know anything about TOS, but someone has recently become obsessed with Leslie and writing what might be vandalism. Someone needs to check the info that's been added/removed. --Vedek Dukat Talk | Duty Roster 23:16, 7 Dec 2005 (UTC)

I've been keeping an eye on it -- everything added has been accurate. -- Captain Mike K. Barteltalk
I've removed some passages:
In most of the episodes in which he appeared, he could be seen sitting at a bridge position called the "Engineering Subsystems Monitor" (Franz Joseph's Star Trek Blueprints), which is just to the right of the turbolift doors.
This is a canon database, so unless the Blueprints appeared onscreen, this is irrelevant here. This information could be added as a background note, to the articles about the engineering station or the Star Trek Blueprints, but isn't actually the name we'll be calling the negineering station, nor do we need to cite the book everytime something referred to in it appears -- the episodes take precedence.
Additionally, in the beginning of "The Ultimate Computer", Kirk calls him "Lester" when he turns Paskey's character, who was delivering the Captain a report, away stating "Not now Lester." In this case, Shatner may have simply misspoke the name "Leslie" or the word "Mister," or likewise, somehow contracted the two words together.
I've just watched this and heard him say "Leslie", although there is a lot less emphasis on the "-lie" part of the word. Maybe there's a different edit or soundtrack at fault, but that's hardly attributable to Shatner as this not suggests -- it would mean the sound was re-edited after he said the line. -- Captain Mike K. Barteltalk 13:54, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
as of now, there have been a lot of incorrect additions, thank you for bringing it up Vedek. I know that Leslie has a lot of data points associated with him, but contiuously reformatting the article is leading to a lot of errors. Please don't "make up" information about Leslie if you havent seen the episodes he was in and can cite or corroborate your entry. This is a database of canon facts, not suppositions. -- Captain M.K. Barteltalk 22:37, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Memory Alpha Featured Article

I believe this article should be added to the list of Memory Alpha's Featured Articles. The fact that a character, who at best, could say "aye, sir" in one or two episodes, yet appear in more than both Sulu and Chekov and have such a detailed biography here on Memory Alpha is nothing short of remarkable. Anyone agree? Kyle C. Haight 02:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, a featured article is not featured based on the number of appearances a character has, but rather how well the article is written and how extensive the information is. Regardless, if you wish for this to become a featured article, by all means, bring it up for nomination here. --From Andoria with Love 17:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't this article be renominated as a Featured Article? According to the policy, a 14 day waiting period needs to elapse from the date of the initial rejection, which, in this case, was 29 March 2007. The waiting period has now come and gone. Based on the objection raised by one individual, it was suggested that a peer review be conducted because the original text of the article read "too haltingly" due to the abundance of "2 sentence paragraphs". Unfortunately, the one who raised the objection was not "comfortable (or ambitious enough)" to conduct the peer review due to the lack of familiarity with the Original Series and the character. Interestingly, a group of anons apparently took the challenge themselves and conducted a peer review since the day of the rejection by rewriting the text so that it would not read "too haltingly" and by expanding on the "Ambiguities" section. It would be fascinating to see if the original objector, as a courtesy, would be the one kind enough to renominate this article as a Featured Article. -- Anon, 9 May 2007

Is that a picture of Lt. Ryan?

The picture of Leslie at the helm while Sulu points a sword at Kirk, is that a shot of Leslie? I think it's been agreed that that was a lieutenant Ryan (as Lt. Ryan has his own page here on Memory Alpha), and nowhere in the episode does it show Ryan leaving the helm. I may be wrong, it's been a while since I've seen the episode, but I think I may be right.

Sources

I love this character, partly because my last name is Leslie (common Scottish name), and I really appreciate this well-written article. I wonder if it is policy to cite sources? When I get to the part in the background about the actor retiring due to back injury, would it be good if someone could track down the source to back up that fact? It appears several times in Memory Alpha but it's not attributed. Also, the discussion in the Ambiguities section is well done, but I wonder if it would be approrpiate to indicate who are the "some people" and who are the "while others." I assume the contributor here has this information and if it doesn't violate the way things are done here it might be useful for later readers to know where to track down this info.

Removed

I removed the following for reasons stated at the bottom of the italicized section:

First Name

There has been much debate over Leslie's first name.

Some believe that his first name could be Connor. [1] This is due to the fact that Paskey's character, who was wearing a generic green jumpsuit in sickbay, was called "Connors" by McCoy in "Mudd's Women".

While it could be pointed out that Connors was probably intended to be another character with that surname, it should be noted that he was not called "Mister Connors". Even though Connors would be an unusual first name, it could be argued that "Connors" was simply McCoy's nickname for Leslie, just as Kirk often refers to the doctor as "Bones".

On the other hand, some believe that Leslie's first name could be Ryan, based on the script for "The Naked Time" which listed Paskey's character as "Ryan". In that episode, Spock realizes that Sulu is absent from his post at the helm, and says, "Take over here, Ryan". Immediately after Spock issues his command, Paskey, as "Ryan", says, "Yes, sir", and sits at the helm.

Many viewers believe that Leonard Nimoy said, "Take over here, Rand", which is a reference to the character of Yeoman Janice Rand, who was played by Grace Lee Whitney but was not present in that scene. Even the caption written for those with hearing difficulties displays Spock saying, "Take over here, Rand." [2] While it seems that Nimoy may have committed an error which was not corrected by the filming crew, some think that Spock may have uttered "Ryan" instead of "Rand".

Although it could be argued that "Ryan" was probably intended to be another character with Ryan as the surname, it could also be pointed out that no one in that episode addressed him as "Mister Ryan" or "Lieutenant Ryan". Even Spock, who normally addresses crew members by their surnames, has on occasion referred to Kirk as "Jim" and once called McCoy, "Bones". On this basis, it is possible that Ryan could be Leslie's first name.

Based on this information, some have theorized that Leslie's full name could be Ryan Connors Leslie. [3] This speculation would resolve the inconsistencies surrounding the name of Paskey's character, who did not have a definitive name on the series until he was called "Mister Leslie" by Kirk on "The Conscience of the King". Of course, this theory is based upon the idea that Connors, Leslie and Ryan are in fact the same individual portrayed by Paskey, and not three separate characters.


Relationship to Connors and Ryan

There is also some debate over Leslie's relationship with Connors and Ryan. Some believe that Connors and Ryan are indeed one and the same person represented in the character of Leslie. [4] [5] This is due to the fact that Paskey's character was regularly addressed by the surname of Leslie on "The Conscience of the King" and afterward, and that Connors and Ryan were not definitively established on screen in either "Mudd's Women" or "The Naked Time" as a character surname.

However, others believe that Connors, Leslie and Ryan are each separate individuals. [6] In the case of Ryan, it should be noted that according to the studio cast list for "The Naked Time", it appears that the episode scriptwriters had intended to make Ryan a character surname. [7] With regards to Connors, it seems possible that the scriptwriters for "Mudd's Women" also intended to make Connors a character surname since it is an unlikely first name. [8] On this basis, it is entirely possible that all three characters were, in fact, separate people.

Further supporting the idea that Connors, Leslie and Ryan are three separate individuals is the fact that Paskey can be spotted in multiple places at the same time within the same episode.

In "The Squire of Gothos", Paskey remains behind in the transporter room after he beams up Kirk, McCoy, Sulu, DeSalle and Lieutenant Karl Jaeger. In the next scene, he is sitting in the command chair as Kirk and the rest of the landing party enter the bridge.

For "The Menagerie, Part I", Paskey is seen both at the engineering station wearing a red duty uniform and standing in a corridor wearing a gold duty uniform as Spock addresses the Enterprise crew through the intercom. In the "The Menagerie, Part II", he is sitting at the engineering station and the navigation console when the Enterprise enters orbit around Talos IV.

For "Amok Time", he is walking in the corridor wearing a red duty uniform as Spock heads towards sickbay, and in the next scene, stands next to McCoy while wearing a blue duty jumpsuit. In "Assignment: Earth", Paskey is seen in a corridor wearing a gold duty uniform as Kirk addresses the entire crew through the intercom and, seconds later, wearing a red duty jumpsuit in main engineering as the captain speaks with Scott.

For those who believe that Paskey represented one character and not three, it could be argued that these multiple appearances were the result of simple continuity errors on the part of the film editors. On the other hand, for those who believe that he portrayed three separate characters, these sightings confirm that Connors, Leslie and Ryan are three different people.

If all three are believed to be different people, then the instances where Paskey was seen wearing a sciences division blue jumpsuit after "Mudd's Women" could be understood to mean that he was portraying Connors, despite the fact that he was neither called Leslie nor Connors by anyone in those scenes. There are three notable episodes where Paskey's character wears the jumpsuit afterward, specifically "The Enemy Within" where he was part of the Alfa 177 landing party, and "The Man Trap" and "Amok Time" where he treated Spock in sickbay. Even though the studio cast list identifies Paskey's role in "The Enemy Within" as Connors, [9] he is listed as Ryan in "The Man Trap" [10] and Leslie in "Amok Time". [11] The apparent interchangeability of these three roles seems to suggest that all three characters could be one individual represented in Leslie.

Since all three characters were played by Paskey, there is some speculation whether Connors, Leslie and Ryan, if they were separate people, were clones or blood-related family members, like brothers or cousins, since they all resembled one another. [12] [13] [14] Assuming that all three characters were addressed by their respective surnames, it is unlikely that they would be brothers, unless they were all half-brothers. However, there is no information to verify this speculation. Nor is there any information to support or refute the theory that the three characters could be blood-related family members or clones.

Given the fact that other Star Trek actors played multiple roles throughout the Original Series, like Majel Barrett, Diana Muldaur and David L. Ross, it is also possible that Leslie was simply nothing more than a coincidental look-alike of Connors and Ryan.


Death and resurrection

On the other hand, many viewers believe that Kirk called him by name during the first scene of the episode when the captain extended his hand and received a pair of pliers from him in order to collect a specimen of tritanium. Despite the fact that it sounds as though Kirk said, "Leslie," when he extended his hand, it should be pointed out that the written caption for that scene displays Kirk saying, "Let's see," [15] which sounds very similar to "Leslie."

Since Paskey portrayed other Enterprise officers, such as Connors and Ryan, it is possible that the cloud creature may have killed either Connors or Ryan instead of Leslie. [16] Assuming that Connors, Leslie and Ryan are in fact three separate individuals, this would explain Paskey's appearances later on in the episode as well as Leslie's presence in future episodes.

Further reinforcing the idea that someone other than Leslie was killed by the cloud creature is the fact that the uniform worn by Paskey's character in that scene displayed no rank insignia. While it could be argued that Leslie occasionally wore duty uniforms which did not display the lieutenant stripe after "The Squire of Gothos", most notably in the third season, it should be pointed out that this instance is the only time in the second season where the character does not display rank insignia. Given the fact that Paskey is spotted later in the same episode walking by McCoy in a corridor wearing a red duty uniform with a lieutenant stripe, this seems to suggest that someone other than Leslie was killed by the creature.

However, there is no definitive information to indicate that the cloud creature killed either Connors or Ryan. If Connors and Ryan are indeed the same person represented in the character of Leslie, then it is reasonable to conclude that Leslie was attacked and killed by the creature, and later revived in sickbay.


This all boils down to being little more than speculation, theory and what "some fans" think; none of this is supported by primary sources and thus is not fit for this encyclopedia. Also, IMDB and transcript pages shouldn't be considered a primary reference at least in the case of supporting this discussion. --Alan 22:25, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


Obvious answer

It's quite obvious that the Leslie brothers were twins who served aboard the Enterprise along side their cousin Connors. While the family resemblance is striking there is no question but that one of the twins was killed on camera. The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.183.0.39.

In Assignment Earth Paskey appears on the Bridge in a red shirt. Shortly thereafter he is seen in the hall in a gold shirt. A few minutes later he is seen in Engineering with Scotty with a red shirt and a few minutes later he is slumped over and stunned in a red shirt in the Transporter Room. It is quite evident that Mr. Leslie did not switch shirts in the middle of a duty day, so Paskey MUST be playing at least two different characters---one of which was killed while on an away team. The resemblance is so striking that one must conclude that the Leslie characters are either brothers or identical twin brothers. Is there a good reason not to recognize this as canon?
Also, this reference already acknowledges that Paskey played an Ekosian Nazi, so we already know that Paskey played more than one character. Isn't it logical that there was more than one Leslie on the Enterprise? The preceding unsigned comment was added by 98.169.244.123.

Twins

Moved from User talk:Archduk3

Please check the discussion notes for Lt. Leslie. I think that the case has been made for twin Leslies, with different first names. Per the canon conventions, "The presumption should be that a conflict does not exist unless no other explanation is reasonable under the circumstances." It's not reasonable to assume that McCoy doesn't know a dead man when he sees one. It's not reasonable that Leslie runs around changing shirts and names. It is reasonable that Paskey plays more than one character. The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.183.0.39.


Multiple Leslies (anew)

An anon added this information today, much of which is speculative, but there may be something worth using herein (I'm not entirely certain):

It is also possible that there were several persons on the USS Enterprise (all of whom were played by Eddie Paskey), who looked very similar. There is no way to conclusively settle this question but circumstantial evidence indicates that there Leslie may have had clones or twin brothers serving about the Enterprise.
Canon is not completely clear about whether there was one Lt. Leslie or several characters that looked similar to Leslie roaming the Enterprise at the time of the five year mission. The most compelling fact to support the possibility of one Leslie is that at no point are two "Leslies" in the same room at the same time.
However, it is also well-known over the years many actors have played multiple characters in the Star Trek universe. (Example: Trelane and Koloth.) This makes it is possible that Leslie had twins or clones aboard the Enterprise.
One of the most compelling sequences indicating that there were twin or clone Leslies occurs in TOS: "Assignment: Earth". Leslie is seen navigating on the bridge in a gold shirt, and then (presumably at the same time) Leslie is seen in engineering in a red jump suit. Just a few moments later Gary Seven stuns a third Leslie in who is wearing a red shirt and manning the transporter. Leslie look-alikes are seen in close succession in three different uniforms and three different places at almost the same time.
Furthermore, in TOS: "Obsession" a security guard who looks like Leslie is declared dead by Dr. McCoy on Argus X after the creature drained all the red blood corpuscles from his body. However, by stardate 3620.7, one of Leslie's brothers or clones is walking the corridors of the Enterprise. It is possible that Dr. McCoy either grossly exaggerated Leslie's condition or flat-out erred, but Leslie (or his clone or twin) eventually recovered and returned to active duty in the episode(TOS: "Obsession".
There are many appearances of Leslie, but without names or dialogue it is sometime difficult to determine whether the character is Leslie, a twin, a clones or a triplet or just a guy who looks like Leslie.

If any of this is kept, it belongs in the BG section, and a number of things are actually already addresses there, including in the "Red shirt" section. -- sulfur 18:40, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

It's a good idea to use the source rather than POV to edit articles. The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.183.6.175.

Er... "the source rather than the POV"? Huh? What's that's supposed to mean? -- sulfur 18:42, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Is it Memory Alpha policy to revert and delete new edits, or should the fellow contributor edit and correct the new information. I'm referring specifically to new information that I added at Leslie. Last night I watched Assignment: Earth and saw "Leslie" appear in three different places in three different uniforms at roughly the same time. The current article insists that Leslie is all three of those people and that Lt. Leslie rose from the dead and continued to serve on the USS Enterprise. Rather than view the source, or use the source to make the argument the other editor simply deletes the new information.

What's the best way to handle this? -- 70.183.6.175 18:45, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

I've locked the article in a pre-editwar version now - please discuss potentially controversial additions and come to a consensus first, before furthering the edit war. For what it's worth, if anything of this is supposed to be added to the article, it needs to be changed to the correct point of view first. Also, phrases like "not completely clear whether" or "is possible that" are often signs of subjective interpretation, which should not be part of the article in the first place. -- Cid Highwind 18:53, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
See MA:POV, MA:CANON. - Archduk3 18:54, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
I don't really see anything in the removed information that should be returned to the article. As Cid suggested, most of it seems to be speculation and uncited fan analysis.--31dot 19:01, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

It is "speculative" but only if you define "speculative" to mean bring "brings to light information that you were previously unaware of." Please address these simple facts:

1. Fact 1: A person can't be in three places at the same time. (Watch Assignment: Earth. Paskey wears three different uniforms and appears in three different places in the course of about 3 minutes of air time and approximately the same amount of story time.
2. Fact 2: McCoy declared Paskey's character dead. Is it not speculation to assume that the security guard which McCoy claimed was dead went on to serve a long and glorious career in Starfleet? You tell me that Dr. McCoy can't tell if a man is dead or not? (Perhaps he's had a little too much Saurian brandy.)
3. Fact 3: Numerous actors in nearly every generation of Star Trek have played numerous characters. If Leslie is a multi-tasking hero who can man the helm, operate the transporter, act as a security guard and rise from the dead to do it all again, then I submit that Dr. Pulaski is actually Dr. Mulhall AND Dr. Miranda Jones. Afterall it's a lot easier to believe that Dr. Jones recovered her eyesight and used her long life to pursue a medical career than it is to believe that Leslie regenerated his entire supply of blood AFTER DEATH.

Facts aside, the question remains why in the world would you leave Sulu, or Scotty at the conn, when you have an experienced officer capable of functioning in engineering, security, at the helm AND in the medical field on the bridge? I mean what the hell does a guy have to do to get a citation or promotion? --- 70.183.6.175 19:19, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

BTW, if necessary I can reference the exact time point in Assignment: Earth where "Leslie" appears in three places at the same time. If he's NOT three different people then mention should be made of his mastery of the Space Time Continuum. Perhaps he is a Q? -- 70.183.6.175 19:24, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to pile on, but I might not have time to argue later. If Leslie can appear in three places at the same time, perhaps mention should be made of the fact that in the same episode (Assignment: Earth), Hadley is working for NASA. That's right. Hadley is seen repeatedly in the NASA control room in civilian clothes. If every unmasked appearance of Paskey is Leslie, shoudn't the same hold true for Hadley? -- 70.183.6.175 19:26, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

I'd really suggest you read the above-linked POV and canon policies. As an encyclopedia we don't post personal speculation or attempt to explain away production nuances such as reusing extras without evidence from Trek staff or other sources.--31dot 19:28, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
Well then, which is it? Is Leslie a character or a production extra? He can't be both. Either he is a production extra, with lots of appearances as various characters, or he is a superhuman capable of working all fields of the ship AND rising from the dead. The article as written purports that he is a character. I suggest that either he is NOT a character or this article grossly exaggerates the character because of the blurry line between his character and the production extras played by Paskey. -- 70.183.6.175 19:32, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
New ideas are always pilloried by the establishment. New information is not a challenge to your expertise but a chance for you to prove your mastery of the subject. -- 70.183.6.175 19:32, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
Philosophical statements are nice, but don't help your position and are quite irrelevant, because if we did not want to listen to your ideas we would simply remove them. The fact remains your statements are speculation.--31dot 19:38, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
Which part exactly is speculation. I laid out three facts, which have not been controverted.
I just read the whole Connors/Ryan/Paskey speculation. I am not whoever wrote that and I can understand why you don't want to insert speculation. As far as I'm concerned pull out all my speculation about twins and clones, but if you do so, you also need to remove all the speculation about Leslie's shipmate relations, his rise from the dead and his many appearances in many different places in many different uniforms. Are you really going to let it stand that he "rose from the dead"? And that he was capable of working in engineering, security, helm, transporter AND the medical field? That's almost harder to believe than he rose from the dead.
If Leslie is a character, then he is truly a superhuman and that is worthy of mention. If he is a production extra, then it should be made clear that several Enterprise officers and crew bear a striking resemblance to Leslie. Either way, because it's really just a continuity/production error that should be stated as well. Because the fact is, we don't know jack about Leslie/Conners/Ryan. -- 70.183.6.175 19:45, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
Please keep your indentations the same throughout the page. It is not speculation to say he was seen alive after he was declared dead, since that's what we saw- it is speculation to come up with a reason why- just as it is speculation to say he had clones or twins or whatever. If you're not going to review our policies to understand why that is, then I really don't have much more to say.--31dot 19:55, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
It is not speculative to say he rose from the dead? Please reference the episode and seen where they said that Leslie rose from the dead and I'll be happy to retract all my statements. But you won't do that because that never happened. The source NEVER said that Leslie rose from the dead. The source said that Leslie died. It is pure speculation to link Paskey's many appearances and to attempt to explain away his many shirts and names. That my friend is speculation. It is speculation to guess the relationships between Leslie and his fellow crew members. It is speculation to guess why Leslie is called Ryan and Connors. That is speculation.
It is incontrovertible fact that in "Assignment: Earth" Leslie appears in three different places in three different uniforms at nearly the same time. The current article speculates that this is because Leslie was some sort of uber-officer.
The real truth is Paskey was an extra who played multiple roles. Why not just admit what the source shows? -- 70.183.6.175 20:05, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
My point is that if you're not going to speculate about the curious resemblance between numerous crew and officer on-board the Enterprise, then you have no business speculating about Leslie's friends or his name "Ryan/Connors" or the reason he had so many roles on the ship. Just because I don't have an account does not mean that my sources are uncited. -- 70.183.6.175 20:05, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
Have you even read the article? --31dot 20:14, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
Have you read the article?
1. Speculation: Leslie is "affable." No one ever said he was affable. Going to the crew lounge does not make you affable. Shy people, jerks and many other types of people go to the crew lounge.
2. Speculation: Leslie's name is Ryan/Conners/Leslie.
3. Speculation: Paskey plays one character who works in helm, engineering, navigation, security AND medical. This speculation is controverted by the fact that in Assignment: Earth Paskey appears in 3 different places in 3 different uniforms at the same time.
4. Speculation: Paskey rose from the dead. This is controverted by the fact that many Star Trek actors played multiple roles, but only one (Spock) rose from the dead.

Compare this article to the Hadley article which freely admits to speculation. This article purports to be authoritative but is in fact rife with speculation.

I have reference my sources. Please rebut my source, and explain why these four critical areas are anything less than speculation. Have you read the article?!

This article speculates that Leslie was a superhuman death-dying multi-talented officer with several names. Please explain how in Assignment: Earth, Leslie is in three places in three different uniforms at the same time. Watch the episode. After you watch that episode tell me how it can square with this article on any level. This article is a huge mountain of speculation built upon the fact that Paskey played numerous characters. If you're going to claim that Leslie was skilled in medical, engineering, helm and navigation AND rose from the dead, then why not assume that Leslie was also and Ekosian rebel? I have read the article, but more importantly, I have watched the show. -- 70.183.6.175 21:19, June 13, 2011 (UTC)