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Made up term?[]

So, I'm curious. Who made up this term? It doesn't seem to be something manifested from any sort of dialog. Also, isn't this term, or concept borderline synonymous with suicide? --Alan del Beccio 05:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know this is a fan made term created to label Kirk's propensity for making AI's destroy themselves. I'd say it doesn't belong here, certainly not in an in-universe article. I suppose we could make a real world POV version, but that would be bordering on "Memory Alpha is not a dictionary" to me. --OuroborosCobra talk 05:54, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
A little late, but I agree this should not be an in-universe article, if we want to keep it at all. All this seems to do is link together similar plot devices.--31dot 01:55, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

The paradoxical shape[]

Is there a picture of the paradoxical shape? it might be of interest, if it was displayed. Was it a klein bottle, or something else?

( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klein_bottle )

70.171.187.183 04:06, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

The Ilia Probe[]

Didn't Kirk talk V'ger and the Ilia Probe into ascending? Is that another related case?

Mokwella 01:41, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

How to fix the problem of "induced self-destruction"?[]

I have a suggestion about what to do about Memory Alpha:Pages for deletion/Induced self-destruction: 1) Have Self-destruct system replace its sister redirect self-destruct, 2) make "Self-destruction" a page, which says it could be accomplished by initiating a pre-programmed sequence (see also "self-destruct system", etc), or confusing a computer/android, i.e. "Induced self-destruction", which could then be a section of that page. (The term "self-destruction" is used in "Balance of Terror" (via a warhead, maybe not an automated system - never said one way or the other) and "The Counter-Clock Incident" (Karla Five flying her ship into the supernova).) --LauraCC (talk) 22:14, January 26, 2017 (UTC)

Sounds like a good solution to me. -- Capricorn (talk) 22:00, January 29, 2017 (UTC)

I actually came up with it in a few minutes...I guess my brain was cooking subconsciously...--LauraCC (talk) 16:01, January 30, 2017 (UTC)

With 3) a "See also" link to suicide on the bottom of the page. --LauraCC (talk) 21:07, January 31, 2017 (UTC)

These also seem to be problems solved with logic, or rather, illogic. --Alan del Beccio (talk) 14:48, June 26, 2017 (UTC)

This page needs to die[]

I hate this page. It's really not about self-destruction as we define it, per se, I think it should be divvied up between paradox and logic, also it feels like some of this is discussed on the Kirk page too, but ultimately it's been a disaster since day one, half a lifetime ago.--Alan (talk) 02:11, April 18, 2019 (UTC)

It looks like I was open to getting rid of it over 8 years ago, and I haven't seen anything to change my view on that. 31dot (talk) 07:58, April 18, 2019 (UTC)
It seems to me that the simplest solution is to just make this a real world page like He's dead, Jim or redshirt. This way we can point to less problematic pages for the in universe stuff while still having a single page for the trope/pop culture bit. - Archduk3 08:22, April 18, 2019 (UTC)

Then some external sources would be needed/welcome to help shore up page's credibility. --Alan (talk) 13:17, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Yeah... as it is, it still looks like an in-universe page that’s been hastily rewritten to give a thin veneer of real-world perspective. It certainly doesn’t have much, of anything, to do with the categories it’s currently in. —Josiah Rowe (talk) 14:24, August 28, 2019 (UTC)
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