Talk:Human-Klingon history

Everything in this article is Canon, it is just not well known. It includes a few misc facts that I discovered. If there is anything you can not establish, I'll explain my source here. --TOSrules 23:53, 1 Oct 2004 (CEST)

Generally, it would be nice if you could start by just noting the relevant episode for each section. The proper format to use is: ([[TOS]]: "[[Episode Name]]"). Specifically, I'm interested in the exact quote that explains the first paragraph - where's that "70 years" figure from, and where exactly was it said that first contact occured at the beginning of that time period? Also, please don't sign articles - they might be rewritten by someone else later. -- Cid Highwind 00:11, 2 Oct 2004 (CEST)

First, According to Spock said in "The Trouble with Tribbles", "The Conflict begun on initial contact over the possession of Sherman's Planet". It gives a location and suggest that First Contact must have occurred at roughly that time. The 70 years comes from Spock in Star Trek VI, when he said that the conflict has been on going for almost 70 years. In truth the way he said it pins the date down to 68 or 69 years.

I'll add Episode references, the signature was to show that I was the one to initially write the article.--TOSrules 00:26, 2 Oct 2004 (CEST)

I'm having trouble swallowing the factual accuracy of this article. First off though, in reference to your dating, Spock's comment in ST6 doesn't "pin down" the date of anything. Just because you think "almost 70 years" is a precise reference to 68 or 69, I don't see the reasoning of it being possibly 67 or 65 years.

I doubt that Spock said "The Conflict begun.." since he is well-known for using proper grammar. And the conflict he would be referring to in "Trouble With Tribbles" would the the conflict of interest of developing Sherman's planet. There was no actual combat occurring at that point, as per the Organian influence. Since this was a conflict based on terms of a very recent treaty, I fail to see your reasoning in extending the Sherman's planet issue to a seventy year debacle bassed on your misspelling "the conflict" as "The Conflict." There's simply no evidence that the Planet in question was a long-standing issue. Manufacturing a connection between the events is a product of sheer imagination.

Also, on the larger issue of the events of Enterprise versus the 70 year cold war, Since Spock simply said "70 years of unremitting hostilities," there's no real link between the beginning of the cold war and the first contact with the species. Again, a product of imagination. Based on that reference alone, there could have even been early conflicts with the Klingons, followed by a remittance of the hotilities (before they finally became "unremitting")

--Captain Mike K. Bartel 04:50, 2 Oct 2004 (CEST)

How exactly is this period of intermittent hostilities without full-blown war different from any other such historical period between the Federation and various powers that it requires its own article as a "cold war"? The same title could be applied to the period of intermittent hostilities between the Federation and the Romulans, or the Dominion before the actual war, or the Tholians, or any others. Not to mention that relations between the Federation and the Klingons weren't exactly friendly before Organia either. I don't really see the need for a separate article covering this particular period. -- EtaPiscium 04:58, 2 Oct 2004 (CEST)