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I strongly disagree with removing the full list of apperances from the bottom. I know it's official layout style but their has been alot of talk about this on the Memory Alpha talk:Guide to Layout page. It's pretty unanamous there that a full list of appearances is helpful. I agree. The chronological list at the bottom is much better than citations dispursed throughout the article in a completely discontinous order. I think this should be changed back. Anyone else agree? Ryan123450 20:38, 11 Aug 2004 (CEST) Ryan123450

Well, since I reduced the list down, I disagree with your disagreement. ;) The problem with such a long list, particularly with a central character like Dukat, is it makes the article look a little untidy in my eyes. The references presented in the text show episodes where the character was substantively featured and/or referred to, and the Appearances section should be used to indicate other appearances not mentioned, therefore reducing the size. Whilst Memory Alpha is not paper, there is something to be said for making an article uncluttered and well-presented. An extensive list such as would be required would not help in that respect. -- Michael Warren | Talk 20:46, Aug 11, 2004 (CEST)
Well, I'd say a complete list would be informative.. if there's no way to agree on having the list stay in its complete form here, how about at Marc Alaimo.. that way the user could find a complete, chronological list of his appearances as Dukat simply by clicking another article (and not taking up anymore space in this one) --Captain Mike K. Bartel 21:59, 11 Aug 2004 (CEST)
But the article itself is not cluttered, there is just an extensive list of episodes at the end, which I think is invaluable. The chronological order is far more helpful than only having the episodes listed throughout the article. Like you said DarkHorizon, Memory Alpha is not paper. Ryan123450 00:51, 12 Aug 2004 (CEST)Ryan123450
Perhaps we should look for ways to include the entire list without cluttering up the article. Perhaps by using a table of appearances with a colomn for each series? That should look a bit more orderly and not take up as much space. I'll try to make an example here, just give me a few minutes. -- Redge | Talk 17:49, 12 Aug 2004 (CEST)
Season 1 Season 2 Season 3 Season 4 Season 5 Season 6 Season 7
DS9: The Emissary DS9: The Homecoming DS9: Civil Defense DS9: The Way of the Warrior DS9: A Time to Stand DS9: Covenant
DS9: Duet DS9: Cardassians DS9: Defiant DS9: Apocalypse Rising DS9: Sons and Daughters DS9: Penumbra
DS9: Necessary Evil DS9: Explorers DS9: Things Past DS9: Behind the Lines DS9: Til Death Do Us Part DS9: By Inferno's Light
DS9: The Maquis, Part I DS9: Indiscretion DS9: In Purgatory's Shadow DS9: Favor the Bold DS9: Strange Bedfellows
DS9: The Maquis, Part II DS9: Return to Grace DS9: Ties of Blood and Water DS9: Sacrifice of Angels DS9: When It Rains...
DS9: Call to Arms DS9: Waltz
DS9: Wrongs Darker Than Death or Night
DS9: Tears of the Prophets

Maybe they're not all in the right sequence (had some problems with the table), but at least it gives you a pretty good idea of what it would look like. It's not too long, but IMO it is a bit too extravagant. Anyone have another suggestion? -- Redge | Talk 18:18, 12 Aug 2004 (CEST)

I still don't see the problem with the original list, but if we're looking for other ideas I might have a good one. How about a link at the bottom of the page to a seperate article called Deep Space Nine Recurring Characters. It would "unclutter" all the articles with lists like this and give one place for appearance lists for all the ds9 recurring characters. Then the main article would be shorter, and the chronological list would still be available. Same thing could be done for all the series. Anyone agree?Ryan123450 04:26, 13 Aug 2004 (CEST)

Sounds good, but I'd go with List of Deep Scape Nine Recurring Characters. let's wait and here what others have to say about this idea. -- Redge | Talk 17:38, 13 Aug 2004 (CEST)
Well if no one has any objections I'm going to go ahead and do this. Anyone have any other ideas before I do so?Ryan123450 23:52, 22 Aug 2004 (CEST)
In my opinion, such a table occupies a lot of space, since some columns remain almost empty. I'd prefer a simple listing of the episodes or attaching them to their respective facts --BlueMars 23:57, Aug 22, 2004 (CEST)
I meant that I was going to create the seperate page for references to all the recurring characters and put a link to it at the bottom. I agree with you about the graph. I is too bulky.Ryan123450 00:06, 23 Aug 2004 (CEST)
Creating a seperate page in turn sounds like a great idea... although it sounds like a lot of work, too. ;-) --BlueMars 00:09, Aug 23, 2004 (CEST)
I suggest you create List of recurring characters and make a DS9 header, and let others fill in the other series. -- Redge | Talk 00:17, 23 Aug 2004 (CEST)
Page exists with slightly different title, i fixed your link -- Captain Mike K. Bartel
Again, we're talking about a page that lists the episodes all the recurring characters appeared in. Some people have a problem with placing the lists at the bottom of the character's articles because they make the article look "cluttered".Ryan123450 07:16, 23 Aug 2004 (CEST)

Legate status

Was he not promoted to Legate before The Way of the Warrior? Tough Little Ship 21:54, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC)

  • He told sisko he preferred gul over legate because it was more hands on and less pretentious than things like emperor. 1985 21:56, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC)
    • In Cardassian ranks, he's listed under the list of Legates, so maybe it should be changed or something. -Platypus Man | Talk 21:59, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC)
      • I found out why, its an obscure reference he made in Indiscretion stating that he was gonna have central command make him a legate again. Nowhere else is he referred to as legate. 1985 22:02, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC)
        • In "Ties of Blood and Water" Sisko told him he was surprised that he hadn't promoted himself back to Legate. Tough Little Ship 22:03, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC)
          • He was the military advisor to the Detapa Council before he got demoted. Its likely that was when he got promoted. Tough Little Ship 22:06, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC)
            • The scene with sisko is the same one i was thinking of where he said gul is more hands on, i wasnt sure about the exact wording but you're right about that. The detapa council part can maybe be italicized if he didn't state it explicitly? 1985 22:09, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Rollback

The name "Skrain" is not from a valid resource. -- Cid Highwind 16:23, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Behind the Scenes

Does anyone know who was originally cast as Dukat? He was supposedly re-cast halfway through the Pilot, with Marc Alaimo as the replacement. I don't know if it's pertinent, but it's a bit of trivia peopl might like to know.-- Jyhash 03:55, 13 Mar 2006 (UTC)

I didn't even know that. I couldn't imagine anyone BUT Alaimo in the role. -- Ben Sisko 17:49, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Death

Is it really accurate to record his date of "death"? Since he was imprisoned with the Pah Wraiths, he isn't technically dead. 88.108.212.186 21:39, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


S.G. Dukat

Is it possible that S.G. means Station Gul? I believe it was only mentioned once in A Time to Stand and it would make sense if he said his position after his name during his log entry. Just something to think about...--AndreMcKay 02:56, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Yes, I put that note in there because I figured those may in fact not be his initials. Although in the non canon books his first name is Skrain, we still don't know for sure if the "S.G." Dukat refers to in that episode are his initials, or his rank. Station's Gul was what came to mind for me, so I figured I'd add it in as a side note on the Dukat page. - Thot Prad 16:38, 28 September, 2006
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