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Who was in command when Janeway led the second away team to the Array? Edit

Rollins was in command when Janeway led the previous three away teams. But was Rollins or Kim in command when Janeway and Tuvok went aboard the Array near the end of the episode?

B'Elanna Edit

I wasn't sure if this is appropriate as part of the article, but whenever I watch the pilot this really sticks out to me, so I wanted other folks' opinion on it: "Series fans may note that B'Elanna's makeup is far more pronounced in this episode than it is in subsequent episodes; in addition, she and the rest of the crew place far more emphasis on the first syllable of her name (pronouncing it "BAY-lanna")."

Obviously, characters change a bit between the pilot and subsequent episodes in every series, particularly in terms of makeup (I'm pretty sure both Data and Quark had heavier makeup in the pilot than later), so is it significant enough to include? Gregly 18:40, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Morn's Mouth Edit

  • It is also the only time in any Star Trek series that Morn has his mouth opened to the extent it is.

Someone seems intent on adding this information - I'd say that he also has it open just as wide while he's talking with other patrons in DS9: "Emissary". Either way it's simply pointless information. But due to stop an edit war this can be discussed here. — Morder 22:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

As relates to this, since it has become something of an edit war, I've protected the page for the moment. -- Sulfur 22:57, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Morder is quite correct- pointless information. Where would it end? The first time Janeway flips her hair? The first time Chakotay says the word "the"? We don't need that kind of information.--31dot 22:58, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm also not sure it is true. A quick look at the bar scene in Trekcore, and all I saw was the back of Morn's head. --OuroborosCobra talk 23:10, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

His mouth is really open quite wide [1] in the first scene with harry kim & quark. But so what? Wow...he's in awe... :) — Morder 23:15, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

For those who don't understand the significance of my statement, you need to watch the entire DS9 series. It will then become clear that their is a major difference in significance between Chakotay saying the word "the" for the first time, and Morn having his mouth opened as I described. The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.161.152.33 (talk).

But what significance is it? I've seen all of DS9 several times and that's so insignificant that it's simply not worth mentioning. Simply because it doesn't change his character at all. — Morder 00:16, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't answer that. Just understand that we don't want to note it. If it was the only time Morn ever had his mouth open the least bit, then, maybe we would. I agree with the first comment: in Emissary it's about the same. See [2]. And so this detail is both pointless and wrong and who the crap cares. --TribbleFurSuit 00:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I suppose it is but as usual to prevent the display of the inside of "Morn's" mouth or to prevent the display of an inconsistent mouth size, it was not a direct front shot. In the episode of the caretaker, it is.
I believe displaying at least an image of his mouth directly open would allow the audience to see something they've been waiting for. Every time Morn was about to talk in any on-screen DS9 episode, the writers escaped the display of it at the last second. Although the escapes only occurred approximately 3 times in the entire DS9 series, those in themselves show the significance of my belief. --MJM 01:03, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Background information: Actors who've played the same character in 3 trek series Edit

Why isn't Morn listed here? According to Morn he was in TNG's "Birthright, Part I". --128.243.253.112 23:30, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Because, in television.movie parlance, merely being shown without speaking any lines is often not considered "playing" a character. Exceptions are sometimes made for characters who have a lot of onscreen time and significance to the plot, but neither is the case here.
Now, I have no problem using a wider definition of "playing a character", counting mere appearances, but that's something that needs to be brought up with people who are more prolific editors than I. If this wasn't an old comment, I'd tell you to try putting it in, and see what happens. —Commodore Sixty-Four(TALK) 04:20, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

USS Voyager set lighting Edit

The following has nothing to do with the Caretaker episode:

  • The USS Voyager is only the second Federation starship whose interior lighting changes based on the alert status (the first was the USS Defiant, and this would later be seen on the USS Enterprise-E). Unlike the Defiant, however, Herman Zimmerman designed his Voyager sets to allow for the inclusion of the elaborate lighting rigs necessary to automatically change lighting conditions at the flip of a switch. These rigs were present in the bridge as well as several of the other standing sets, including the main corridors, sickbay, transporter room, and engineering. Additional lighting changes were accomplished manually, as they had earlier been achieved on the Defiant. Unlike the Defiant bridge set, which when lit for depicting the active cloaking device bathed the actors in a blue light and dimmed the control panels (which also took on a slightly blue hue), the Voyager bridge set's control displays did not change brightness, and the "ambient" light was orange. Analysis of scenes from episodes such as "Cold Fire", "Parallax", and "Deadlock" reveal that this orange light had neither a visible nor a predefined source on the set, as the angle would change nearly each time it was seen.

Maybe the USS Voyager page is anb appropriate place for it, if sourced. --TribbleFurSuit 19:14, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

2 Episodes? Edit

Why is this episode summarized on one page if it was aired as a two part episode? It is listed as two episodes on the official site also: StarTrek.com. Thanks for any response. ZEM talk to me! 00:22, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Because it aired as one episode. — Morder (talk) 00:24, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Originally that is. In syndication, it airs as two. The StarTrek.com site lists stuff in their syndication styles for some reason. -- sulfur 00:51, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Freudian racism, sexism, speciism allowed or not? Edit

Well, the article contains such fantastic parts as 'ensign of Asian descent' and 'Half klingon' (what's the other half any way?) and 'female betazoid', et cetera. It seems to however never come with interesting things as 'white human male', well, you get the idea, it's just how the mind works, white human male is 'normal' to the id and people assume it unless you specifically state 'female' or 'Asian' or 'Andorian'. So you could argue that it works—well, unless you're Asian of course, or Amazon, then you'd see 'Asian human male' and 'Amazon human female' as 'normal'. So, with that argument in mind, should it at least not be that obviously Freudish racist to races? Or should it just stay because this is just how the mind works and people get the idea from it and the author who wrote it probably didn't even notice that it was just a symptom of subconscious racism, probably has nothing against women or Asians or Betazed. Personally it annoys me like hell to read articles written in this style though, but I realize I'm a minority in this. GarakxBashirKawaii 10:22, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

It would appear to me that the majority of the extras and main cast are 'white human male' and thus you expect to see them more often in productions such as this. (with a few exceptions - especially with the main Voyager cast) There's no general reason to point them out because everyone else looks like them. Star Trek is, after all, an American production and America comes with a majority of 'white' people. We are a people of categorizations and the default one in the US is that of everyone is male, white and between 18 and 45. Everything else get's labeled. If you wish to change anything in the article that's your choice. However, since the majority of the cast are, in fact, 'white human male' I don't see the need. — Morder (talk) 10:32, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
I think that it is OK to do that for the first appearance of the characters(as Caretaker is), though it is unneccesary for subsequent appearances. A lot of the Voyager pages had name, rank, occupation, and race in every episode summary, and we have been trying to weed those out as it makes the pages have too much information- that's why we link to the character's pages. As I said, though, I think a little extra info is fine on this page.--31dot 10:35, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
I'd concur, it's more that Chakotay doesn't get stated he's human or male (or even Indian actually), neither does Janeway get her humanness called. Of course adding things like 'A human white female approaches the man' and each time reads even more frustrating. GarakxBashirKawaii 10:38, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
Interesting that I thought we already did that on their character pages. I don't look at that information enough anyway. — Morder (talk) 10:41, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
I thought we did - from Chakotay's page...
Being of Mayan, Native American descent, Chakotay's tribe - mainly because of the intrusion of more technological societies - left Earth a few hundred years ago to find their own home on another planet near the Cardassian border.
That's where it's mostly appropriate anyway and not on some episode page. — Morder (talk) 10:45, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
I removed the Asian description of Harry Kim, for reasons articulated above by GarakxBashirKawaii--"default whiteness" is an all-too common problem that this wiki should not be contributing to. Besides, this is a Star Trek wiki; if humans of the twenty-fourth century don't typically label themselves or one another in this way, then we shouldn't, either. Species is a different matter, one that shouldn't be confused with human race, and pointing it out is meaningful. The Chakotay example above would work on his character page, since the character periodically identified himself by his Native American ancestry. On a particular episode page, it might be appropriate only if it is addressed openly in that story; Benjamin Sisko/Benny Russell in "Far Beyond the Stars" comes to mind. — BlueResistance (talk) 22:01, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

First show on UPN Edit

Wasn't Caretaker the first thing ever shown on UPN? --Peacock486 04:22, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Yes it was. According to the Broken Bow page, it was also the highest rated program in UPN history, but I dunno what the exact ratings were. --Golden Monkey 04:31, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Quotes removed Edit

"Gul Evek must feel daring today."

- Chakotay, on Evek's decision to follow him into the Badlands


"We're alone, in an uncharted part of the galaxy. We've already made some friends here, and some enemies. We have no idea of the dangers we're going to face, but one thing is clear, both crews are going to have to work together if we're to survive. That's why Commander Chakotay and I have agreed that this should be one crew – a Starfleet crew. And as the only Starfleet vessel assigned to the Delta Quadrant we'll continue to follow our directive: to seek out new worlds and to explore space. But our primary goal is clear. Even at maximum speeds it would take 75 years to reach the Federation. But I'm not willing to settle for that. There's another entity like the Caretaker out there somewhere who has the ability to get us there a lot faster. We'll be looking for her, and we'll be looking for wormholes, spatial rifts or new technologies to help us. Somewhere along this journey, we'll find a way back."

- Captain Kathryn Janeway, to her crew

"I intend to destroy the array!"

- Captain Kathryn Janeway


"What's your name, son?"
"My... name?"
"You have one, I presume?"
"Kim, Harry Kim."

- Quark and Harry Kim


"Tell one of your cracker-jack Starfleet transporter chiefs to keep a lock on me."

- Chakotay


"Interesting... what... what exactly... (He chuckles) What exactly does all this do?"
"I assure you that everything in this room has a specific function. However, it would take several hours to explain it all. I suggest we proceed to your quarters. (Pause) Perhaps you would care for a bath."
"A what?"

- Tuvok and Neelix, when Neelix first boards Voyager


"Do you always fly at women at warp speed, Mr. Paris?"
"Only when they're in visual range."

- Stadi and Tom Paris


"It's been my special pleasure to watch many new officers like yourself come through these portals. Your parents must be very proud, my boy."

- Quark, introducing himself to Harry Kim


"Tomato soup."
"There are fourteen varieties of tomato soup available from this replicator. With rice, with vegetables, Bolian style, with pasta, with..."
"Plain."
"Specify hot or chilled."
"Hot! Hot, plain tomato soup!"

- Tom Paris and the computer


"Ugh, fourteen varieties and they can't even get plain tomato soup right!"

- Tom Paris

"We were warned about the Ferengi at the Academy."
"Warned about Ferengi, were you?"
"That's right."
"Slurs... about my people at Starfleet Academy!"

- Harry Kim and Quark


"You help us find our people and you can have all the water you want."

- Janeway, to Neelix

"Do these replicators make clothing as well?"
"Yes."
"Will it make me a uniform like yours?"
"No. It most certainly will not."

- Neelix and Tuvok

Removed the above quotes per MA:QUOTE. 31dot (talk) 01:48, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Maje Jabins CommentsEdit

When the USS Voyager away team first meets the Kazon-Ogla & Maje Jabin, he says something about several Ocampa being able to reach the surface & being captured by the Kazon (or something like that). Did Jabin actually say how many Ocampa managed to leave the Ocampa City or was it mentioned somewhere else?. 194.74.238.137 14:26, March 25, 2014 (UTC)

No, he didn't. No it wasn't.--TyphussJediVader (talk) 14:45, March 25, 2014 (UTC)

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