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FA status

FA nomination (28 July - 20 Aug 2004, Failed)

It's not complete yet, but it already has so much so well organised information I feel it would already make a good featured article. -- Redge 20:46, 28 Jul 2004 (CEST)

  • This would make a good featured article, but I think we still need a lot of information there on the Borg in the Delta Quadrant, prior to Endgame. Opposed, for now... Ottens 10:45, 5 Aug 2004 (CEST)
You're right. Let's keep this listing for another day, than archive it. -- Redge | Talk 19:12, 11 Aug 2004 (CEST)
Archived. -- Redge | Talk 19:58, 20 Aug 2004 (CEST)

FA removal (13 Jan - 26 Jan 2006, Success)

Since it {{featured}} status in November 2004 a lot of information is added to this article. In my opinion this article does no longer qualify as "featured". Some information in it was dead wrong (already changed this) and some text needs to be wikified. I also believe that this article should be written from the Borgs POV, like the Vulcan, Andorian, Klingon does. All it does now is sum up the dealings the Federation had with the Borg. I also finds its structure not the way it should be. The Origins are part of the Borgs history and should therefore be place under it. The same goes for some of the information now placed under the Quadrant headings. All in all this arcticle could do with a good overhaul. -- Q 23:24, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)

  • Disagree. This article just nees some cleaning up. If an article has been featured, its done. That is the way it goes (in my opinion). It just needs to be monitored and tended to more. --Galaxy001 22:21, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
  • Agree. If the article needs to be cleaned up and tended to, that necessitates removing its featured status. I do see a lot of red links towards the bottom, which while not part of the official criteria is an indicator that something needs attention. I wouldl ike to see the part about the Borg's ultimate fate moved into a separate section, for one. But as for the POV, I think I understand where Q is coming from: it needs to talk about the Borrg encountering the Enterprise not visa-versa, and so on. Overall a very good article, but as both pointed out, it needs work (which justifies removing the {{featured}}, at least for now). --Vedek Dukat Talk | Duty Roster 22:36, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
    • Now I Agree. After cleanup, however, it should be considered to be added back to the featured list. --Galaxy001 01:13, 17 Jan 2006 (UTC)
  • Agree - once cleaned up it can be re-nominated for FA, but for now it's not looking its best. - Hayter 11:45, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Agree - The reason I agree are the many articles to be created/edited under the "Drone Technology" area. Once these articles are given suitable information I would reconsider this article for FA. nWo 4 Life 05:13, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Past Tense

Why is everything in this article in the past tense? --Jonvs 23:31, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

MA:POV. The vast majority of our articles are in the past tense, to allow for a consistent viewpoint across different eras. 31dot 23:32, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Background Information

It says that The Borg were supposed to be the insects from "Conspiracy"... and as a result The Borg are more or less inspired from these aliens. The Mother Creature stating "[they] seek peaceful co-existence" could be interpreted as an early "Borg Queen".

There is no mention of V'Ger in the Background Information. Star Trek: The Motion Picture contained tons of plot development from Star Trek: Phase II, which these developments themselves evolved into Riker & Troi, a few episodes transformed into Star Trek: TNG. and...

V'Ger was modified by a machine planet inhabited by machine creatures. V'Ger apparently had the both the capability and intent of "assimilating" Earth. It "assimilated" Ilia (they used the word "probe" instead of "drone") and even attempted a planetary bombardment which Ilia-Drone mentioned that V'Ger was going to more or less assimilate every one of the "Carbon Units".

I want to add V'Ger to the background information. In Correct 22:34, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

This is embarrassing.  :( I reread the following paragraph and there is already mention of V'Ger. My apologigies. I guess there isn't any need to mention V'Ger any further in The Borg article. I guess. In Correct 22:53, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

"Budget Friendly?!"

How did the tiny pink insects cost more than the bulky Borg costumes?! I thought I read somewhere that "Q, Who" overspent their budget! In Correct 22:34, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

The "Conspiracy" aliens were never intended to be the Borg. That comment I think just slipped into the article without anyone noticing. I have now removed it. The Borg from the sounds of it would be a human-sized insectoid species, which would indeed be very expensive in the days before CGI characters (and probably would have looked very silly).–Cleanse ( talk | contribs ) 23:39, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
The aliens from "Conspiracy" were intended to part of what eventually became the Borg, at least according to our other articles on those subjects. I have readded it, including the cite and further information that was on the episode page. - Archduk3 09:59, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
Do you have Trek: The Unauthorized Behind-The-Scenes Story of The Next Generation? I'd like to know what the book says exactly. It seems possible that its just someone's misreading of the sources – that they saw the "Borg were insects" line and assumed it was connected to "Conspiracy".
I see our "Conspiracy" page quotes the Star Trek: The Next Generation Companion to support this, but I can see no such suggestion under either the "Conspiracy" or "Q Who" sections. It just says the Borg were meant to be insects, and meant to be introduced as an arc starting with "The Neutral Zone".
Captains' Logs: The Unauthorized Complete Trek Voyages (p. 169) supports this. Under "The Neutral Zone", Maurice Hurley is quoted as saying "It was set up to be a three-pronged episode. The first prong was setting up this situation with the Romulans [and] these destroyed outposts, and this would lead to a little kind of alliance with the Romulans which ended up with use confronting the Borg. But we never had a chance to play that out." If the "Conspiracy aliens" were meant to be related to the Borg, then "The Neutral Zone" wouldn't be the first 'prong' of the proposed arc. Again, there is nothing in that book under either "Conspiracy" or "Q Who" to suggest the "Conspiracy aliens" were considered at all with the Borg, despite much detail given on how the race was developed. –Cleanse ( talk | contribs ) 11:08, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
It took awhile, but I found that the Companion line on "Conspiracy" was added by an anonymous user on 24 August 2006, and has been merely moved around and formatted since. [1]
I apologise if I sound a bit fanatical about a minor point, but I'm just concerned about us spreading misinformation.–Cleanse ( talk | contribs ) 11:18, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
I don't own either of the books, but all of our pages on the subject agreed, with the "Conspiracy" page being the cited one, or so it seemed. It might be best to remove this info from all the pages until we find someone with the other book, since if one cite is bogus, the other is like to be as well. And there's nothing fanatical in wanted the info to be correct. :) - Archduk3 13:09, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, Archduk3. I've removed the info from here, "Conspiracy" and "Q Who" until there's some confirmation.–Cleanse ( talk | contribs ) 02:08, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Q Who continuity

This is 110% non-canon, but I have an explanation of how the introduction of the borg (to us, the viewers) was also an introduction of The Borg to The Enterprise. They appeared to be completely unaware of The Borg before that epsiode. In later productions of events which occurred before the Q Who episode, Star Fleet knew about the Borg, or at least legends of the Borg. Either way there were encounters of The Borg, with Guinan's rescue and also with The Hansens trying to find The Borg.

The explanation is that Q did something to the affect the memories and records of The Enterprise and crew, and the intention of Q was only to cause mischief as usual, especially since he claimed he was "a homeless entity" in that episode. In Correct 22:34, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

While that is interesting, article talk pages are meant to discuss changing the article only, and not intended to merely post our theories about plot elements. 31dot 23:40, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

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