Talk:Militarization conspiracy

Necessity/rename

Do we really need an article for what's basically just a short fight between two starships? And if we do need an article, is this really a good title? The "battle" (I don't think it really can be considered one) started in space while at warp, continued near the moon and ended in orbit around earth (or on earth, if one prefers). --Cid Highwind (talk) 23:29, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

I'm thinking this could be on just the pages of the two ships involved, unless this term was used in the film(which based on Cid's comment, I assume it was not; haven't seen the film yet) 31dot (talk) 23:36, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

We have articles for Battle of Maxia and Battle of the Mutara Nebula which were also fights between two ships; I don't see why this is that much different. - Mitchz95 (talk) 23:48, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

The Battle of Maxia was specifically called that (by one party, at least). The Mutara Nebula battle occurred in a single location and involved specific strategic maneuvering. 31dot (talk) 23:50, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

There was strategy used in this battle as well, though much of it took place inside the respective ships. I don't want to spoil the movie for you, so I won't get into detail, but I think it's an important enough conflict to warrant an article, at least for now. We can include the "beginning" of this battle under Prelude and start the actual "Battle" part when they arrive at Luna. - Mitchz95 (talk) 00:03, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Still, this is a made up and somewhat misleading title. Also, while there's now more content on the article, the majority is just a copy of the films plot which can already be found in other locations and, in my opinion, doesn't need to be duplicated that way. --Cid Highwind (talk) 04:55, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

True, but one could also say that Battle of Cardassia is just a copy of the plot of DS9: "What You Leave Behind". And that one definitely deserves an article. I'm fine with changing this one's name if necessary, but I think it's a historical event that deserves mention here. - Mitchz95 (talk) 13:27, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

I've suggested this be renamed to "crash of the USS Vengeance", which is most likely what these events will be remembered as in-universe. While we only have a descriptive name for this, instead of a proper one, I think this event warrants a page, since the damage to the city and the (assumed) loss of life resulted in a memorial service. - Archduk3 20:16, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that seems to be a better title. --Cid Highwind (talk) 20:49, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

The events of the film may require other articles like Kelvin Memorial Archive bombing, Attack on Starfleet Headquarters and Ketha Province incident. Or a better name for the events in the film to avoid short articles would be the Augment conspiracy. --Alientraveller (talk) 21:04, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

I would think that Federation historians would see this event as the end point of a conspiracy by Admiral Marcus to start a war with the Klingons that began with the revival of Khan.Throwback (talk) 21:09, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

Keep in mind that our in-universe POV is mostly a vehicle to let us write coherent articles. We should not write articles because a "Federation historian" might write those articles - we should write articles that make sense to a real person reading stuff about a TV show. That means that, in my opinion, "Kelvin Memorial Archive bombing" would not be a good article (because there's nearly no information about it), and "Augment conspiracy" wouldn't be a good article (because no one was called an "Augment" in this movie, because no Augments conspired in this movie, because it, even more than the article we have now, would be mostly a retelling ov the whole movie). -- Cid Highwind (talk) 21:42, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

Oppose the rename. There's a lot more to this incident than the crash of the Vengeance; there'd be far more information under "Prelude" than the crash itself. - Mitchz95 (talk) 22:30, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

Support rename. Descriptive title based on the end result is reasonable in this case. 31dot (talk) 01:35, May 25, 2013 (UTC)

Support rename. It wasn't so much a battle as a skirmish or conflict. ("Skirmish over Luna", "USS Vengeance" conflict, etc.) --WTRiker (talk) 05:17, May 30, 2013 (UTC)