Changes: Memory Alpha:Projects/Timeline reference project

Revision as of 14:39, 27 October 2009

There have been some changes to timeline articles in the 2370s range, and corresponding discussion on Forum:2370s date changes, recently. The idea of this project is to review all 24th century Trek episodes to find out which ones really contain specific dates (of the Julian/Gregorian calendar variety), or can otherwise be tied to a specific date without having to resort to any speculation, like the assumed correspondency of 1000 stardate units to one earth year, or the unconfirmed idea that stardate XX000.0 corresponds to January 1.

Each entry in the following list needs to state which episode that fact is from (preferably with an approximate timecode) and should quote relevant dialog exactly.

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Episodes: TNG Season 1

Dates given in dialog

TNG: "The Neutral Zone" - 2364 (statement by Data) ^{(citation needed • edit)}

Dates derived from other facts

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Episodes: TNG Season 2

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Episodes: TNG Season 3

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Episodes: TNG Season 4

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Episodes: TNG Season 5

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Episodes: TNG Season 6, DS9 Season 1

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Episodes: TNG Season 7, DS9 Season 2

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Episodes: DS9 Season 3, VOY Season 1, VOY Season 2 (Four episodes held over from season 1):

"Projections"

Dates Given in Dialog

VOY: "Eye of the Needle" - 2371 (statement by Chakotay) ^{(citation needed • edit)}

VOY: "The 37's" - 2371 (statement by Janeway) ^{(citation needed • edit)}

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Episodes: DS9 Season 4, VOY Season 2

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Episodes: DS9 Season 5, VOY Season 3

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Episodes: DS9 Season 6, VOY Season 4

Dates Given in Dialog

VOY: "The Gift" - Statement by Kes in VOY: "Fury" that she will leave Voyager in 3 years from 2371. 2371 + 3 = 2374. A statement by The Doctor indicates that The Gift takes place "a few days" after VOY: "Scorpion". ^{(citation needed • edit)}

According to VOY: "Hope and Fear", all of Voyager's fourth season takes place over a 9 month period of time. ^{(citation needed • edit)}

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Episodes: DS9 Season 7, VOY Season 5

Dates Given in Dialog

VOY: "Timeless" - Four years, two months, 11 days from VOY: "Caretaker", gives us 2375. ^{(citation needed • edit)}

VOY: "11:59" - April 22 (statement by Neelix at the end of the episode). No year or stardate given, however since this episode takes place very late in the season and taking into account the pattern seen in Voyager's 7th season, it is reasonable to assume that the year is 2376 for 11:59 - Equinox. ^{(citation needed • edit)}

It is not reasonable to assume and needs facts and not speculation.

In VOY: "Timeless" Janeway states that Voyager had been in the Delta Quadrant for four years, two months, 11 days, giving us a date sometime in early 2375. We know Voyager was stranded in 2371 (and that doesn't come from a stardate, see VOY: "Future's End", starling specifically gives the year). Taking the timeframe given in Timeless, is it really possible that everything from Timeless - 11:59 take place in only three months at the most, and then suddenly skip ahead to December for Equinox?

Dates Derived From Other Facts

DS9: "The Dogs of War" - Given that this episode takes place at the same time as VOY: "Relativity" (which in turn takes place after VOY: "11:59"), it is reasonable to assume that this episode and DS9: "What You Leave Behind" take place in 2376. ^{(citation needed • edit)}

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Episodes: VOY Season 6

Dates Given in Dialog

VOY: "Unimatrix Zero" - 2377 (from VOY: "Endgame") ^{(citation needed • edit)}

Dates Derived From Other Facts

VOY: "Life Line" - Possibly 2377. Statement from Janeway that the Doctor had been transmitted to the Alpha Quadrant "three years" previously. Backed up by a statement from Lewis Zimmerman that he had not left Jupiter Station in "OVER four years" (Assuming he's referring to his visit to DS9 in that shows fifth season, 2373 + 4 = 2377). ^{(citation needed • edit)}

This still fails to show the episode takes place in 2377. Regardless of the statement "over four years ago" and assuming that the episode in question takes place in 2373. Still needs more facts

I disagree, add four to 2373 (it is the communities current understanding that the DS9 episode in which Zimmerman appears takes place in that year) and you get 2377. Back it up that the Doctor had been sent to the Alpha Quadrant three years previously (from 2374 + 3 = 2377). If the episode took place in 2376 wouldn't it make more sense for Zimmerman to something like ALMOST four years or over THREE years? If that's not good enough there are no stardates to suggest otherwise. Think about it.

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Episodes: VOY Season 7

Dates Given in Dialog

VOY: "Homestead" - April 5, 2378 (the "315th" anniversary of First Contact)

Dates derived from other facts

VOY: "Human Error" - "3 Months" prior to VOY: "Endgame" according to Seven of Nine (Jan-Feb. 2378?)

VOY: "Friendship One" Official Star Trek.com website give year as 2378, statement by Tom Paris says B'Ellana's baby is due in "a couple of months"

Non canon/non production note and invalid for source

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Other

Year Specific

2378

Taking into account Seven of Nine's statement from VOY: "Endgame" (takes place sometime after April 5, 2378) regarding the events of VOY: "Human Error" taking place 3 months previous, there is enough hard evidence to conclude the following episodes in 2378.

VOY:
- "Human Error"
- "Q2"
- "Author, Author"
- "Friendship One"
- "Natural Law"
- "Homestead"
- "Renaissance Man"
- "Endgame"

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 ===Dates Given in Dialog===
-{{VOY|Eye of the Needle}} - 2371 (statement by Chakotay) {{incite}}
+*{{VOY|Eye of the Needle}} - 2371 (statement by Chakotay) {{incite}}
-{{VOY|The 37's}} - 2371 (statement by Janeway) {{incite}}
+*{{VOY|The 37's}} - 2371 (statement by Janeway) {{incite}}
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 ===Dates Given in Dialog===
-{{VOY|The Gift}} - Statement by Kes in {{VOY|Fury}} that she will leave Voyager in 3 years from 2371. 2371 + 3 = 2374. A statement by The Doctor indicates that The Gift takes place "a few days" after {{VOY|Scorpion}}. {{incite}}
+*{{VOY|The Gift}} - Statement by Kes in {{VOY|Fury}} that she will leave Voyager in 3 years from 2371. 2371 + 3 = 2374. A statement by The Doctor indicates that The Gift takes place "a few days" after {{VOY|Scorpion}}. {{incite}}
-According to {{VOY|Hope and Fear}}, all of Voyager's fourth season takes place over a 9 month period of time. {{incite}}
+*According to {{VOY|Hope and Fear}}, all of Voyager's fourth season takes place over a 9 month period of time. {{incite}}
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 ===Dates Given in Dialog===
-{{VOY|Timeless}} - Four years, two months, 11 days from {{VOY|Caretaker}}, gives us 2375. {{incite}}
+*{{VOY|Timeless}} - Four years, two months, 11 days from {{VOY|Caretaker}}, gives us 2375. {{incite}}
-{{VOY|11:59}} - April 22 (statement by Neelix at the end of the episode). No year or stardate given, however since this episode takes place very late in the season and taking into account the pattern seen in Voyager's 7th season, it is reasonable to assume that the year is 2376 for 11:59 - Equinox. {{incite}}
+*{{VOY|11:59}} - April 22 (statement by Neelix at the end of the episode). No year or stardate given, however since this episode takes place very late in the season and taking into account the pattern seen in Voyager's 7th season, it is reasonable to assume that the year is 2376 for 11:59 - Equinox. {{incite}}
 :''It is not reasonable to assume and needs facts and not speculation.''
 ::''In {{VOY|Timeless}} Janeway states that Voyager had been in the Delta Quadrant for four years, two months, 11 days, giving us a date sometime in early 2375. We know Voyager was stranded in 2371 (and that doesn't come from a stardate, see {{VOY|Future's End}}, starling specifically gives the year). Taking the timeframe given in Timeless, is it really possible that everything from Timeless - 11:59 take place in only three months at the most, and then suddenly skip ahead to December for Equinox?