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==Articles nominated for removal==
 
==Articles nominated for removal==
 
 
 
===Grathon Tolar===
 
 
[[Grathon Tolar|This article]] simply does not meet the requirements for FA IMO. There is only one source for the information in this article and it is too short. -- [[User:TrekFan|TrekFan]] <sup>[[User Talk:TrekFan|<span style="color:#00FF00;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 23:12, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 
:'''Oppose''' for now. Just as a note, this has been discussed [[Talk:Grathon Tolar#Votes for removal of featured status|before]].
 
:As said on the nomination page, length is not relevant to its status as a FA. Also, there is only one source because the character was only in the one episode. --[[User:31dot|31dot]] 23:42, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 
: '''Oppose'''; as brought up by [[User:31dot]], this has been discussed previously and I have the same input as before. Allow me to paraphrase:<blockquote>The [...] central point to my dissertation is that you are objecting to their '''FA''' status on the grounds that they don't meet with criteria which do not exist. When I originally nominated both of these articles as Featured Articles, I examined the stated criteria of being an "''...especially well-written, informative, and comprehensive article that covers all available information on a subject.''" and I personally [decided] that they did, in fact, meet those criteria. Once up for nomination (see [[Talk:Grathon_Tolar#Votes_for_featured_status]] and [[Talk:Ethan_Novakovich#Moved_from_Nominations_for_featured_articles]] respectively), it was clearly stated in both nominations that the articles in question were covering "minor subjects"; in reply it was noted by an administer in support of the nomination that "''The fact that it is a minor subject is irrelevant''". Both of these articles were voted on by the [[Memory Alpha:Archivists|Memory Alpha community]] with ''no'' objections and were made Featured Articles.<br /><br />[...] There is nothing dictating [a required article] length, significance of subject matter, or "meta-Trek" as qualifiers for Featured Articles.<br /><br />Succinctly, if this discourse led to a discussion where the Featured Article criteria were reevaluated and made more specific and detailing (such as, if the community wanted to change the parameters for a Featured Article and dictate that it should be a certain length in addition to being of high-quality to be featured), I would be in '''whole and complete support''' of helping with that process; and should any articles I contributed substantially to ''not'' qualify under those reevaluated rules, I would be the first to stand by their status removal. But the criteria now are the exact same as they were when those articles were initially nominated and accepted by a majority of '''MA''' contributers.<br /><br />Based on the information presented above, I anticipate one of two results to occur. Either [[Ethan Novakovich]] will revert the loss of his FA removal status and [[Grathon Tolar]] will be removed from this list; or a new forum will be opened for discussion and decision-making for the purpose of defining new and more detailing/stringent criteria for the acceptance of Featured Articles, after which all current Featured Articles will have to undergo a reevaluation process to determine whether they may maintain their status under the new protocols. Either way, I greatly look forward to one or the other conclusion. — '''[[User:pd_THOR|<span style="color:#CC0000;">THOR</span>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:pd_THOR|<span style="color:#FF9933;">''=/\=''</span>]]</sup> 18:00, 25 Oct 2005 (UTC)</blockquote>My expectations were apparently presumptuous, and some of the particulars of my points may not be wholly applicable here as I was previously discussing '''two''' articles, but I think you're making the same argument for defrocking as there was previously. If I sound too "bitch and moany", I apologize, I don't exactly have my head int he game today, but still wanted to provide input. Please take no offense or belligerentness from my comments here! — '''[[User:pd_THOR|<span style="color:#CC0000;">THOR</span>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:pd_THOR|<span style="color:#FF9933;">''=/\=''</span>]]</sup> 17:04, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 
::Comment - I just think it's appropriate to note that the simple fact that FA removal has already been discussed once should ''not'' mean it can't be discussed again - and obviously, some important things ''have'' changed since this first discussion. On the one hand, three years have passed since then, which means that an article that was "especially well-written" in comparison to the other articles we had then doesn't necessarily have to be "especially well-written" in comparison to what we have now. On the other hand, as has been pointed out, at least the criterion of needing a minimum number of votes has been added since then. With that background, I think it is a little too fast to just say "been there, done that", point at an old discussion and declare this a worthy FA for the next eternity or two...
 
::That said, I'm not going to vote at the moment, as the OP was very vague about what exactly makes this "not-FA-worthy" (and I don't have the time to check in in detail right now). Could we perhaps get a more detailed criticism of the article, please? -- [[User:Cid Highwind|Cid Highwind]] 17:51, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 
:::Comment- I was only pointing out that it had been discussed before so others could look at it- I wasn't saying that was a reason in my thinking of opposing removal.--[[User:31dot|31dot]] 18:16, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 
I apologise for being vague in my nomination. I was a bit rushed at the time. :) Anyway, I believe this article to be unworthy of FA status simply because there are a lot better FAs out there and this does not compare to them IMO. Look at [[Ayala]] and [[Luther Sloan]] as examples. I know it's not very fair to say that articles with just one/two reference(s) shouldn't be FAs but it is what it is - FAs require in-depth detail and must stand out from other articles and if there are not many references, there isn't going to be much detail. Maybe we should have "good articles" like on Wikipedia? I do not believe it is detailed enough to make it stand out from other articles of the same type. Plus, three years on, we have much more detailed articles. Maybe it did once deserve to be an FA, but I believe this discussion should be revisited. -- [[User:TrekFan|TrekFan]] <sup>[[User Talk:TrekFan|<span style="color:#00FF00;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 17:16, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 

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