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Deletion rationale
As the result of the very lengthy discussion regarding "essay type article" which was started here and continued here, I move that this article is not appropriate material for Memory Alpha. It has little canon basis and appears to be a list of times that Shakespeare has been mentioned in Star Trek as well as a personal view on how the concept of Shakespeare has affected the Star Trek franchise. An extremely similar article (Military references in Star Trek) was debated and examined from all sides and it was at last determined that these types of articles should be removed from this site and, if possible, hosted on a non-MA location. The result of the military reference article was having it moved here. I feel that similar measures should be taken with this article. If we allow it to stay then we are clearly setting a double standard and, in the famous words of Picard: "Breaking our own rules when they become inconvenient" (TNG: "The Measure Of A Man ") -FC 22:02, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Discussion
- I support the deletion of the essays, but I think there's room for a page on this subject which is along the lines fo the European classical music page. TribbleFurSuit 22:19, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- I also support removing the essays. However, I do think there is a place for the list of Shakespeare references in Trek, perhaps on the William Shakespeare page.--31dot 02:11, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- Incorporate all the factual/citeable information into William Shakespeare, then delete.– Cleanse 02:44, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- I agree with all here. Delete forth with. Alas, Shakespeare and Star Trek, we knew him well. ---- Willie LLAP 03:00, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- Much of the info that isn't redundant fits as a background/apocryphal section to William Shakespeare, and as this is sort of a "remote background section" as it is, I say just merge it. --Pseudohuman 03:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- Given that the writers of Star Trek clearly intended the references and allusions to Shakespeare, throughout all the series, to add extra depth and meaning to their stories, it seems important that memory alpha have this page as a resource to help fans who wish to explore the derivation of Star Trek's ideas. Princephilip 11:50, 29 May 2008
- That, while worthwhile, is not the purpose of MA. This is an encyclopedia, not a place to explore or debate ideas or concepts of Star Trek.--31dot 00:18, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
- Keep this page in some form! As an average user who is not involved with the politics or editing of Memory Alpha normally, I found this a fascinating read! What's more, I believe I can see myself working on it and making it conform to the normal standards of articles on the project. This is exactly the kind of thing you need more of, not less! It interests the reader beyond "this is what happened in that episode" and encourages the user to think! Maybe this is beyond the scope of what some feel the project should encompass, and I'm probably ranting, but -- sans the possible POV issues - this genuinely caught my eye. Scholasticitous 12:52, 31 May 2008 (UTC)