Memory Alpha:Pages for deletion/George H.W. Bush

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Deletion rationale

(See also talk page of the orginal article), but i reiterate: just because he appeared visually in a blurry picture in an episode, I doubt that warrants creating an encyclopedic entry for it on MA as part of canon. From the looks of it, it seems as if only his picture was shown in the Enterprise episode. Why create an entire article mentioning his presidency and the years he served and what his son did etc when none of that is mentioned in canon. Also, as mentioned by Alan and other users, there is no evidence that he was president and at those specific times etc. (the same goes for the Bill Clinton article)– Distantlycharmed 23:39, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

• Keep, but rewrite. Pretty much anything that appears in canon is valid to create an article about, but it should not go far beyond what is shown. In the case of Bush 41, we can use common sense(plus the fact his image was shown in a historical record, indicating he was somebody important) and state that he was president and met with Gorbachev, but we probably should not state the years unless they were given in canon, as the Star Trek timeline is not necessarily like the real one. Same goes for Clinton- state he was President, but not when. We have wikipedia links for the real world information.--31dot 23:55, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Additionally, we have articles on starships that appeared only briefly and/or were blurry. People shouldn't be any different.--31dot 23:57, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

• Comment. Right. Only his picture appeared and we can say he is George H. W. Bush. That's all. Nothing else. And even that, in my opinion is stretching it, as no one actually says it is him, so technically it could be anyone. – Distantlycharmed 00:27, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Technically it isn't "anyone"; we should accept a picture of someone at face value unless we are told it is someone different. The picture was put in the episode by our contemporaries, who knew who Bush/Clinton were.--31dot 00:30, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

But I thought we are not make such assumptions and inferences based on common sense and personal knowledge and belief. How many times have articles on chemicals, for examples, been edited out of information that wasn't presented in canon. I dont want to split hairs though and I think it is valid to assume that they really intended to show George senior, but like you said, I would leave out any information pertaining to their presidency, time thereof or anything else. – Distantlycharmed 00:38, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

You thought wrong. --OuroborosCobra ^talk 01:15, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

I would have to agree with 31dot. He was seen in the episode. Keep a brief description and add a link to the Wikipedia page if readers would like to find more information.--TardisCaptain 01:42, August 4, 2010 (UTC)