Nominations without objections
Renominating. Nomination previously failed due to lack of sufficient support. The article has been partially rewritten since, and in my opinion meets the standards for a Featured Article. Ottens 12:37, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Comment - All the details are there and it's well written, but I think there are some easy fixes that would improve it quite a bit.
- It buries the lead. The cat's out of the bag, and we know V'ger's Voyager VI origins. It's fundamental to V'Ger's nature, and I think the fact should be noted in the introduction.
- Related to the above, the chronology's mixed up. If we're painting the picture of V'Ger's history and journey, it's more valuable as an encyclopedic article to describe events as they happened (launch/black hole/machine planet/questions of life/search for creator/events of TMP - followed by the physical details), rather than how the facts unfolded to Kirk & Co. in the movie.
- The intro may be technically correct in calling V'Ger "one of the most extraordinary lifeforms", but my take on the film was it was an incredible self-aware artificial intelligence. The emphasis on an extraordinary new lifeform was what the Decker/Illia/V'Ger merge created in the end -- something other than V'Ger (but obviously covered by this article)
- Second line of Initial Contact: "It was unlike anything that Starfleet had ever encountered." And yet, shockingly similiar to what Starfleet encountered only a few years before, Nomad. I don't thing we have to mention the recylcling outside of background, but "The Changeling" happened, and that line is not supportable.
- I don't know any better, but I'm very suspicious of that Roddenberry quote, particularly the transwarp conduit bit, a tech that appeared in TNG (according to MA) over a year after he died. --Aurelius Kirk 14:03, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. I liked this nomination the last time around and I still do. While I agree with AureliusKirk's first and last points, I disagree entirely with points 2-4. First I think the chronology of the encounter is good as it is, there are plenty of other instances where ships, lifeforms, etc are written from the perspective of encounter chronology, not history per se so this seems minor and could go either way. Second, the extraordinary lifeform part makes sense to me. Third, though Nomad should definitely be mentioned in the background, V'Ger is sufficiently different in origin, size, power, desire, and the threat it presented to Earth to more than justify the use of "unlike anything...". --Logan 5 15:25, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Weyoun 21:52, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Neutral. I'm not going to vote on this because I literally wrote the entire thing, but I do have a couple comments and would like to know where others stand:
- I had intended to merge the Design and Messages sections, possibly splitting it into sub-sections based on the levels of the program. On the other hand, (1) would that look tacky with the quotes distributed throughout the article, and (2) do we need the quotes at all? Perhaps just a few memorable quotes instead of every word Dukat said.
- The program was never given a name to my knowledge. If I'm mistaken, please rename the article accordingly.
- It needs another picture or two... Perhaps a picture of Dukat's faces on all the monitors in Ops, or a shot inside the ore-processing facility?
- Anyway, the program formed the basis of the entire episode, so I think it's a great choice for an article that gives an in-depth look at something without feeling like it's all been done before (i.e. there aren't a million other websites that cover the topic). --Vedek Dukat Talk | Duty Roster 19:45, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Neutral: There needs to be some sort of organizational issues addressed in this. The way it ends: "Fortunately, the combined efforts of Jake, O'Brien, and Sisko deactivated the program before the self-destruct countdown was over." Seems rather abrupt and really doesnt "round out" the article, its just Dukat found himself helpless, then everything was fixed. The End. --Alan del Beccio 20:05, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
- Neutral. I definetly think this should be organized a little better, but I'm not quite sure how to do it. ~Starchild |<Talk> 19:52, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
**Neutral. I'll join you all on the fence with this one. There's plenty of information about the program, but, as Alan says above, it seems to just crash into a brick wall at the end of the article without any good ending. Has anyone seen the episode recently? I've got it, maybe I'll watch it tonight, its a good episode anyway. Zsingaya Talk 17:42, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- I love these votes where no one votes to oppose for whatever reason but no one votes to support because they don't think it's featured material. :P --Vedek Dukat Talk | Duty Roster 06:33, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Support. I really enjoyed the concept of this, as well as the episode in which it featured. This articles does it justice, and I found little-to-no flaws with it as-is. — THOR =/\= 11:26, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support. I've changed my mind after re-reading it. I liked the section where the warnings are explained. Zsingaya Talk 11:32, 5 March 2006 (UTC)